No, MSNBC and CNN.... I don’t have to have the presumption of innocence

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Star Member PCIntern (23,628 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217779440

No, MSNBC and CNN....
I don’t have to have the presumption of innocence-I’m not on the jury, I’m not the judge, I’m not a court officer or jailer. I have a solid presumption of guilt because he’s guilty of whatever they say and probably ten thousand or more crimes which have yet to be mentioned if they ever are.

Perhaps rewatching the Star Chamber with Michael Douglas would help, or that great line: “Sure we’ll give you a fair trial and then we’ll hang you.” Yeah…that’s the ticket. **** him. Central Park Five, right? Up his ass.

****. Him.

 

Star Member doc03 (33,020 posts)

3. Yes you can presume him guilty if you want, I do too. But under our laws you are innocent

until proven guilty. A legitimate news network can't say he is guilty, couldn't that be used in
Trump's defense?

the left doesn't give a shit about the country's laws... they ' know' he's guilty...

ffr (22,011 posts)

4. **** him, indeed!

I long for the day when he isn't talked about or seen in public or on TV. **** him and his illiberal enablers!!!

MichMan (9,074 posts)

7. I'm with Speaker Pelosi

No one is above the law and everyone has a right to a trial to prove innocence.

Star Member whopis01 (3,263 posts)

65. Trials are never about proving innocence.

Trials are about proving guilt. The outcome of the trial will either prove guilt or it won’t prove guilt. Failure to prove guilt is not the same thing as proving innocence

Star Member PCIntern (23,628 posts)

69. You know,

I’m 70 years old and I was not aware of this.

If anyone bothered to read the post carefully, I made the statement that I am not the judge. I am not the jury, and I presume that he’s guilty because I can. That is my right to do and I’m entitled to have an opinion. All of a sudden, I’m hearing all this Sanctimonious I’ll call it “stuff“, about the system. I am very well aware of the system, how it works, and its attributes. If I were on the jury, I would have an open mind to listen to the facts and make a determination based on the facts as presented in court. But I’m not on the jury at this moment, and not planning to be, and I actually have an opinion having watched him for maybe 40+ years.

 

 

Just A Box Of Rain (4,076 posts)

9. We still have the right to a fair trial in this country.

Think what you want, but losing that would be the end of liberal democracy and the rule of law.

that is where we are...

inthewind21 (2,761 posts)

11. Oh my

I hope you never sit on a jury.

Star Member PCIntern (23,628 posts)

13. I've been on juries and was extremely sensitive to my role and the law.

But again, I’m not in this case.

but you just stated you had no idea it was the state that had to prove guilt, not the defendant to prove their innocents ...

grantcart (52,669 posts)

15. Even knowing a person did something does not mean they are guilty.


Only the evidence that can legally be entered into evidence under the supervision of the judge can be considered so I await the judgment of the court.

I do so knowing that the prosecutors are extremely competent and normally win 97% of their cases (in this case they took their time and dotted their "I"s and crossed their "T"s 100 times and based on that would be beyond astonished if he isn't found guilty on most of the counts.

Star Member PCIntern (23,628 posts)

17. Ok...

So all of a sudden he’s an innocent babe? Look…I understand how it works and have great respect for the system. What I am simply saying is that I think he’s guilty and because I’m not deciding this for him personally, have that right and ability. It is up to the participants to manage his trial which he is of course entitled to and the prosecution must follow the rule of law.

Like the OJ Simpson case.

Star Member PCIntern (23,628 posts)

63. Jesus....

I did not say it was. I was referring to this malignant narcissistic sociopath who killed hundreds of thousands and attempted to overthrow the government. This is a different level of needed justice. It’d be like saying Hitler must be presumed innocent. Go right ahead. Please proceed.

Just A Box Of Rain (4,076 posts)

76. You are the one who feels morally outraged here?

Read what you've written.

edisdead (288 posts)

16. OMG

this thread… Not the OP.


He is ****ing guilty.

Star Member Evolve Dammit (14,265 posts)

26. Very much feeling that way myself. Criminal mob boss, life-long con artist, tax cheat, rapist.

Can't wait for Carrol's lawsuit scheduled to begin soon. May he go to prison for the rest of his disgusting life.

Star Member panader0 (25,660 posts)

30. I wanted him arrested the moment Biden was inaugurated.

He was guilty of many things by then. But the DOJ was Barr. Folks on DU seemed to be a few steps
ahead of Biden's DOJ.

Star Member Sky Jewels (3,382 posts)

40. They should have arrested him in late January of '21.

The mother****er literally attempted a violent coup d'etat/election theft. He should have been arrested as soon as Biden's DOJ took over.

Star Member The Wizard (12,080 posts)

32. Getting really tired

of being threatened by his Brown Shirts

Star Member stage left (2,566 posts)

57. Agreed

**** him. He's guilty of this and many, many other crimes which include his depraved indifference to thousands of Americans dying of Covid.

Star Member bullimiami (12,226 posts)

75. i was just yelling this out loud yesterday. NO! IDIOTS!! He has a LEGAL presumption of innocence.

That has nothing to do with what I believe from the information Ive absorbed.

Im pretty damn convinced he is a career criminal. There are scores, probably hundreds of people in jail for those exact crimes.

And guess what CNN, MSNBC and whoever the hell else.
You are not a court and you can say this preponderance of evidence leads me to believe he is guilty.
Our system often fails to convict the guilty and sometimes fails to acquit the innocent.

 

[ADsOutburst]

I love these "I have a right to presume he's guilty" posts that I see not only on DU, but all over the internet. Yeah, you have the right to blurt out your thoughtless, media-influenced opinion about someone's guilt.

Speaking of media, what utter hypocrites they are to sound off about the principle of presumed innocence. They are the reason so many people have such strong preconceptions about defendants' guilt. Not a reason, the reason.

7. I'm with Speaker Pelosi

No one is above the law and everyone has a right to a trial to prove innocence.

Madame Runner-Up Hillary Clinton doesn't take kindly to being called "no one".

[Muddling 2]

the left doesn't give a shit about the country's laws... they ' know' he's guilty...

 

 

that is where we are...

but you just stated you had no idea it was the state that had to prove guilt, not the defendant to prove their innocents ...

 

Dude would have felt right at home during the Salem Witch Trials.

Or the murder of Medgar Evers.

Some things never change.

[ADsOutburst]

Imagine being offended that some news outlet you watch said you should presume someone to be innocent.

[DUmpDiver]

As just an observer you do have the ability to presume guilt. However, in this case the DUmmies don't even know what the charges are yet, what supposed evidence there is nor the specifics of the law(s) supposedly broken.

They just blindly presume guilt driven by emotion (hate) without any facts.

If you actually know someone committed a crime, like Hunter did when he lied when purchasing a gun, then you can presume quilt.

[Old n Grumpy]

 

4. **** him, indeed!

I long for the day when he isn't talked about or seen in public or on TV. **** him and his illiberal enablers!!!

It’s you and your leftist media who can’t let go 

[SVPete]

Star Member PCIntern has and frequently exercises the right to believe things that are contrary to and contradicted by facts. As do many/most DU-folk.

[ADsOutburst]

As just an observer you do have the ability to presume guilt. However, in this case the DUmmies don't even know what the charges are yet, what supposed evidence there is nor the specifics of the law(s) supposedly broken.

They just blindly presume guilt driven by emotion (hate) without any facts.

If you actually know someone committed a crime, like Hunter did when he lied when purchasing a gun, then you can presume quilt.

That's the thing about the grand jury system; they never hear Trump's side of it, only the prosecutor's evidence. Well, of course they're going to recommend charges!

[Wineslob]

Poor DUmmies. The statute of limitations will most likely come into play.

[USA4ME]

PCIntern

If I were on the jury, I would have an open mind to listen to the facts and make a determination based on the facts as presented in court.

Of all the lies, this one is the biggest. No Dem or leftist should ever sit on a jury or be a judge. They don’t have the capacity to separate their ideology from from the law.

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[DefiantSix]

Star Moron doc03 (33,020 posts)

3. Yes you can presume him guilty if you want, I do too. But under our laws you are innocent

until proven guilty. A legitimate news network can't say he is guilty, couldn't that be used in
Trump's defense?

Actually DUm'Rat, it falls under the legal definition of Slander/Libel. And if one of the idiot propagandists at PMSNPC slips up and says what you're all hoping out loud, it's not something The Donald can use in his defense; it's something that can get the whole case DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE because congratulations morons, you just irreversibly tainted the jury pool for Bragg's weak ass case.

And then, after that comes the CIVIL SUIT against the propagandist morons with diarhea of the soup cooler, which will inevitably serve to make eee-vil rich Orange Man (slightly) richer, but absolutely impoverish the dumb ****s you're currently fapping all over.

So go ahead, DUmmy; do it. Say the quiet part out loud.

[Happy Fun Ball]

Star Member PCIntern has and frequently exercises the right to believe things that are contrary to and contradicted by facts. As do many/most DU-folk.

Since he mentioned it, I'll call him the Star Chamber member.

Trump isn't guilty of any of the trumped up charges.
What he is guilty of (and all of us), is opposing your agenda, and in you DUmmies' mind, he deserves to be thrown in jail or worse.

"They aren't after me, they're after you. I'm just in their way." Trump (paraphrase)