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Is There a Future for Late-Night Talk Shows?
Big changes are coming to the longtime staple of television programming, as the genre struggles to make the leap to the streaming world.

Trevor Noah is leaving “The Daily Show” next year. James Corden, the host of CBS’s “The Late Late Show,” will depart his show then as well. TBS canceled “Full Frontal With Samantha Bee” this year.

And at NBC, executives are mulling giving up the 10 p.m. hour to local stations. If they make that move, “The Tonight Show,” for the first time in its seven-decade run, could begin as early as 10:30 p.m.

All of this has unleashed a big question inside the television industry: What is the future of the late-night talk show?

For decades, late-night shows have been an enormously successful franchise for network television. The costs of the shows were relatively low, and the number of programming hours they offered, as well as the profits they kicked off, was enormous.

But as streaming has ascended, and network TV audiences and advertising revenue has dwindled, worries that late-night shows could be the latest genre affected by sweeping change are hitting virtually every corner of the entertainment world.

Streaming services like Netflix and Hulu have taken a crack at talk shows, but with little success. The shows — whether through an opening monologue or an interview with a celebrity who has a movie premiering soon — depend on topicality, something that has not quite translated to streaming.

“It’s a weird transition time,” said Gavin Purcell, a former showrunner of “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon.” “There’s nothing about this that feels normal for the late-night world.”

Viewers used to have a “deep bond” with late-night hosts, said Rob Burnett, the former executive producer for “The Late Show With David Letterman,” in part because there was little else to watch at that hour.

“In every scenario that we’re discussing right now, both ‘The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon’ and ‘Late Night With Seth Meyers’ remain on NBC,” the network said in a statement.

Some executives have concluded that the cost to produce some late-night shows, particularly at 12:30 a.m., is no longer feasible in an era of sinking ratings.

Revenue has fallen for the late-night shows. Through the first six months of 2021, the four late-night shows on network television took in a total of $301 million in advertising revenue, according to Kantar. Through the first six months of this year, that figure fell 16 percent, to $253.6 million. Mr. Meyers’s show generated $24.6 million in advertising revenue through the first six months of 2021, compared with $19 million in the first six months of 2022, Kantar said.

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The obvious (mentioned in paragraph 20 something):

Indeed, ratings for the late-night shows have been falling so much that the political comedy show “Gutfeld!” on Fox News at 11 p.m. frequently draws more viewers than any of the longstanding network late-night franchises.
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Re: NY Slimes laments late night comedy doldrums, ignores the obvious
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2022, 11:54:22 AM »
1. Trump's out of the WH, and Biden is in the WH.

2. Being funny about almost anything social endangers one's career.
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Re: NY Slimes laments late night comedy doldrums, ignores the obvious
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2022, 12:32:15 PM »
AFAIC, late night TV ended when Johnny Carson retired.

It's never been the same since. Leno tried, and came close, but nobody could match Carson.

As for the rest of those twits, well, for those who watch TV till the wee hours, remember the playing of the U.S anthem and then a test pattern? I'd say the test pattern gets bigger ratings than those twits.
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Re: NY Slimes laments late night comedy doldrums, ignores the obvious
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2022, 03:57:22 PM »
AFAIC, late night TV ended when Johnny Carson retired.

It's never been the same since. Leno tried, and came close, but nobody could match Carson.

As for the rest of those twits, well, for those who watch TV till the wee hours, remember the playing of the U.S anthem and then a test pattern? I'd say the test pattern gets bigger ratings than those twits.

It probably reflects our age, but yes Carson was the symbolic end of that era. Letterman was Carson's handpicked choice that NBC passed on in favor of Leno. Dave's shows on NBC and early on at CBS were still damn funny. Leno was tolerable and Conan could be downright funny as hell.

Trump getting elected absolutely broke late night comedy; they're just too unhinged. The late night hosts (and their lib turd writing staff that guide the shows) simply stopped being funny. It was already fomenting during the George W. Bush Presidency.  It is totally fine to poke fun at politicians of every stripe (which was a staple of Carson's monologue), but they weren't cruel, mean and horridly unfunny.
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Re: NY Slimes laments late night comedy doldrums, ignores the obvious
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2022, 04:05:11 PM »
Leno could be funny, and not overly partisan. His "Jay Walking" bit were at once funny and horrifying. For a while NBC was not carried by our satellite service, and we switched to Letterman for a while. He was occasionally funny, but some time during GWB or/and OhBummer! Letterman went DU-grade loony-partisan.
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