Was there an attempted coup or was it just a riot that got out of hand?

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Star Member kentuck (104,747 posts)
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Simple question: Was there an attempted coup or was it just a riot that got out of hand?

If you believe it was an attempted coup, you have a responsibility to defend your country and your Constitution, regardless of how it might affect the next election.

Do you disagree with that?

It would be unpatriotic for anyone to try and cover it up and sweep it under the rug? If there was an "attempted coup"?

It would be wrong to just forget about for political reasons.

It would be a miscarriage of justice not to take it to Court and to have a jury trial for all those that are charged.

Do you disagree?

 

Otto_Harper (132 posts)

1. If it was just the riot, then one might be able to look away, but given all of the other planning, communication and behind the scenes activities that we already know was going on, and with the slates of phony electors having been put into place long before the "Riot That Got Out of Hand", then we need to see row after row after row of paddy wagons hauling away these traitors for trial sentencing, punishment and burial.

Anything less is an abominable failure to preserve, protect and defend The Constitution and the Nation it founded.

 

Star Member elias7 (3,208 posts)

6. I don't think I'd be upset by a simple riot or protest -

It’s the multi-faceted planning, all the pieces that when put together, constitute a premeditated plot to overturn the election that could have succeeded under different circumstances. Historians will be able to put this in perspective down the road, but I would that this union has never been in graver danger than it is today, and that the actions of Trump et al last year make Watergate look like a grade school squabble.

Star Member onecaliberal (23,322 posts)

8. Agree with you. It was a coup attempt.

It’s not harsh it is the consequence of trying to overthrow the government of the United States of America.

Star Member Backseat Driver (2,706 posts)

11. Disagree?

I'm a white female, married, mid boomer with adult kids, a grandchild, and retired. I watched that insurrection live and by the end of the day was in tears. I believed in the mythological magic of DC, and it was one of my favorite cities in the nation. How dare they? My questions and comments:

1) Is a miscarriage (of justice) illegal? I had a "spontaneous abortion" of unknown causation once upon a time. Have the statutes of limitations run out? - Yeah, women's reproductive rights all the way!

2) What will it cost me? As things are, I suppose my vision, hearing, and chompers at the very least. I'm already at some point of poor, often having cash flow problems over basics like food, electricity, and healthcare premiums, but others have it worse. In the future, must I politically donate my widow's (mite) or my might to fight? Not really expecting costs to go down any time soon. It's likely that housing and transportation could be issues in the near future. I'm legal to fly domestically though I have no passport to travel foreign lands.

3) I've voted all my legal years, yet I feel as though my identity at the core has been disenfranchised and stolen since the turn of the century. That is surely less time than other citizens in this country and immigrants should probably take heed because those policies suck; I've worked issue and candidate phone banks. I've attended or at least prepared and tried to attend protests and signed petitions. Years ago, I traveled with my family to watch the interment of the (now known) unknown soldier as I'm a daughter and spouse of vets and lost my grandfather to war.

Is anyone really interested in what I think anymore? I'm pretty sure my DU family does even though my lifeline is likely short and my opinions based on somewhat old experiences. Do it for our planet's future, for our kids' future because I am very frustrated that we will all lose something precious if we all don't keep trying to protect the Constitutional framework and enforcement of ROL, some of which lacks that force, and throw it at those that scheme(d) to obstruct, pervert, misinform, and stall out justice, peace, and empathy for others in the land...

Whatta you think?

 

Star Member Srkdqltr (3,111 posts)

12. I think... At first it looked like a riot. A dumb ass thing that got out of hand, as these things do

But, in the days after it was apparent that this was planned. Although I don't see how it would have really worked. Attempted coup, yes. Could it have worked? Considering that this was a Trump lead thing who knows.

Star Member bottomofthehill (5,994 posts)

13. It was a coup. The intent was to overthrow an election (stop the steal)

In 1/6/21, domestic terrorists attempted a coup by attacking the Legislative Branch, the Article 1 branch of the United States. These Domestic Terrorists did this at the urging of the then President of the United States who had lost the election by significant amounts of both the national and electoral votes. In an attempt to stay in power over the will of the American people, he through his words, actions and political organization and its money, led the coup.

The vehicle used to forward the coup was a riot by both armed and unarmed Domestic Terrorists. They had firearms, explosives, chemical weapons, axes, hatchets, clubs, bats, spears, hammers, battering rams, bricks, rocks, household and construction items turned into weapons, athletic and medical equipment turned into weapons. They came in surplus military and all sorts of other purchased types of “ protective gear” that was turned into offensive weapons.

The Metropolitan Police did declare it a riot, which it clearly was, but it was also an attempted overthrow of our government, thus a coup attempt

It was a sad day for our country and is a stain on the record of our democracy.

Every person who participated in the attack should be arrested, convicted and jailed. There were no innocent bystanders on Capitol Grounds that day. If you were on the grounds after being ordered off, you were part of the coup. Some came with the intent to Kill Members of Congress, there can be no other explanation for the weapons they possessed. Others may not have been part of the plot to assassinate Members but they were still part of the coup. Stop the steal was nothing more than code to overthrow the will of the people and the election.

People died in the coup, a Police officer was murdered protecting democracy, others took their own lives while trying to recover from the violent actions of the mob. Many people left working in Congress because they no longer felt safe. Others are leaving on a regular basis.

This was a coup attempt there is no question. There is no evidence to back up the claims of a stolen election, more amazingly, the party in power is making the bullshit claims over the objections of their own judges, Attorney General, and other knowledgable sources.

Arrest them, try them, convict them, jail them, throw away the key and let them rot. They are Domestic Terrorists, and many of them now side with Russia in their quest to overturn another democracy. So in my opinion they are not only Domestic Terrorists but Traitors to the cause of Democracy.

 

Star Member former9thward (25,793 posts)

20. It was a riot.

There was a legal permit for the rally and approximately 40,000 to 80,000 attended depending on estimates. Of those a small fraction of maybe 1000 or so decided to storm the capitol building. It looked like a drunken frat party with people wearing goofy stuff and taking pictures of themselves doing stupid things in various places. That is not a coup.

The election was decided Dec 6, 2020 when the electoral college met. What happened on Jan 6 was a constitutional ceremony pure and simple. Disrupting it would not change the results of the election or stop anybody from becoming president. It would be similar to if you met all the requirements to graduate high school but did not go to the graduation ceremony. It doesn't matter, you would still get your diploma.

There is a reason most people who have been charged have been charged with misdemeanors. And those who have been sentenced have received very light sentences. The DOJ and the judges agree it was a riot that got out of hand and they are acting with that in mind.

It is clear a very few people actually started this riot and led the others in. Those few have been given more serious charges and will receive more serious sentences. But they were nobodies that nobody has ever heard of or will ever hear about again. I know many want to tie this into Trump but that is going nowhere I predict.

 

Star Member Arkansas Granny (30,382 posts)

24. It was an attempted coup. They tried to interfere with an election

in order to keep the loser in office which constitutes an overthrow of the government, IMO.

 

[dandi]

Star Member former9thward (25,793 posts)

20. It was a riot.

There was a legal permit for the rally and approximately 40,000 to 80,000 attended depending on estimates. Of those a small fraction of maybe 1000 or so decided to storm the capitol building. It looked like a drunken frat party with people wearing goofy stuff and taking pictures of themselves doing stupid things in various places. That is not a coup.

The election was decided Dec 6, 2020 when the electoral college met. What happened on Jan 6 was a constitutional ceremony pure and simple. Disrupting it would not change the results of the election or stop anybody from becoming president. It would be similar to if you met all the requirements to graduate high school but did not go to the graduation ceremony. It doesn't matter, you would still get your diploma.

There is a reason most people who have been charged have been charged with misdemeanors. And those who have been sentenced have received very light sentences. The DOJ and the judges agree it was a riot that got out of hand and they are acting with that in mind.

It is clear a very few people actually started this riot and led the others in. Those few have been given more serious charges and will receive more serious sentences. But they were nobodies that nobody has ever heard of or will ever hear about again. I know many want to tie this into Trump but that is going nowhere I predict.

JHC! I don't think I've ever seen that much truth from a DUmmy.

It's got to be some kind of Sith mind trick.

[Mary Ann]

JHC! I don't think I've ever seen that much truth from a DUmmy.

It's got to be some kind of Sith mind trick.

I don't know how former9thward manages not to get TS'd with such fact-filled opinions!

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1.People died in the coup, 2.a Police officer was murdered protecting democracy

1. Security was responsible for the only homicides.

2. This has been known to be false for like, a year.

[USA4ME]

Backseat Driver

Is anyone really interested in what I think anymore?

Wrong question. You’re a leftist so the question should be:

Has anyone ever really been interested in what I think at all or will they ever?

The answer is No.

Except to point and laugh at how dumb you are.

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[SVPete]

Star Member kentuck (104,747 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216555387

Simple question: Was there an attempted coup or was it just a riot that got out of hand?

The only people in the Capitol who were armed were the Capitol Police, so it obviously was not an "attempted coup". The rest of Star Moron kentuck's "questions" ASSume what that evidence disproves.

Star Member former9thward (25,793 posts)

20. It was a riot.

There was a legal permit for the rally and approximately 40,000 to 80,000 attended depending on estimates. Of those a small fraction of maybe 1000 or so decided to storm the capitol building. It looked like a drunken frat party with people wearing goofy stuff and taking pictures of themselves doing stupid things in various places. That is not a coup.

The election was decided Dec 6, 2020 when the electoral college met. What happened on Jan 6 was a constitutional ceremony pure and simple. Disrupting it would not change the results of the election or stop anybody from becoming president. It would be similar to if you met all the requirements to graduate high school but did not go to the graduation ceremony. It doesn't matter, you would still get your diploma.

There is a reason most people who have been charged have been charged with misdemeanors. And those who have been sentenced have received very light sentences. The DOJ and the judges agree it was a riot that got out of hand and they are acting with that in mind.

It is clear a very few people actually started this riot and led the others in. Those few have been given more serious charges and will receive more serious sentences. But they were nobodies that nobody has ever heard of or will ever hear about again. I know many want to tie this into Trump but that is going nowhere I predict.

Bet that post garnered multiple Alerts!

[DUmpDiver]

Bet that post garnered multiple Alerts!

I suspect that kentuck is just trolling for moles with this thread.  Sure seems like with that title.  Of course any good mole knows to reply that it was a coup.

Although that one replier has 25K to they could be either a rational DUmmie or a very good mole.

[Drafe Hoblin]

I suspect that kentuck is just trolling for moles with this thread.  Sure seems like with that title.  Of course any good mole knows to reply that it was a coup.

Yeah, it was an attempted staged-coup by Democrat power-cultists, with Pelosi being the most prominent.

EXHIBIT A, Your Honor... Pelosi tearing-up the SOTU document.

It was staged on-the-fly, in a manner that their phone-calls wouldn't figure-into it. 

EXHIBIT B:  The faked 7-minute phone-call hoax from this past week.  Trump-staff switched to landlines in case they had to use them.  It looks bad for staff & speakers at a rally to be talking on cell-phones.

Pelosi, etc., were trying to manage this plan on-the-fly.

EXHIBIT C:  Kevin McCarthy's panic-attack.

The plan suddenly tried to involve Republican phone-calls.  And the whole thing melted-down into one huge discovery-evidence trap if charges were ever brought to Trial against the Trump-supporters.  Capitol Police and their masters were all using cell-phones.

There's a chance that the ghost of Seth Rich may appear on the stand.

[SVPete]

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Although that one replier has 25K to they could be either a rational DUmmie or a very good mole.

former9thward and brooklynite are almost borderline sadists in the way they occasionally speak truth into DUmpster-Fire threads. They're probably some of the most Alerted-on of DU members.