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Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
« on: August 18, 2021, 05:23:57 PM »
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Star Member Yorkie Mom (16,009 posts)
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Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.

I thought he was the right person for the job at the time.

I still believe this, but I can admit he ****ed up this exit in Afghanistan. He is the president who decided how this would go down, and he screwed it up.

I refuse to hide my head in the sand and pretend otherwise. Yeah, this hurts.

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Star Member BlueLucy (836 posts)

1. Trump gutted the State Dept and the Pentagon

Trump left Biden a mess with gutted agencies but yes... he should have taken that into consideration in his decision.

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3. There wouldn't have been a need for a "****ed up" exit...

... if the Afghan army had actually done what they were trained to do. Some of them fought valiantly, it appears the vast majority laid down their arms and gave up.

Biden cannot be blamed for that.

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Star Member gab13by13 (4,169 posts)

6. I agree the buck stops with the CIC

but he did get bad intelligence from General Milley, I believe.

It is funny for me because I get jacked here for being too progressive, but back in 2008 I voted for the moderate candidate Joe Biden in the Pa. primary instead of the rookie progressive Barack Obama. Our union endorsed Joe.

I did vote for Obama in the general, of course.

What's bad about Afghanistan is that it is going to control the narrative for a long time. We need some bombshells to drop to switch the narrative back.

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reality1 (14 posts)

10. What did he do wrong, what should have been done differently

The "narrative" should be shaped in favor of Biden. Sincerely what did he do wrong and what should he have done differently?

This seems like as natural, bloodless and orderly of a ending as could be expected.

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Star Member pwb (7,364 posts)

8. I don't feel that way.

I know the history. The war is over and that is good.

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Star Member DemocratSinceBirth (97,013 posts)

12. Regardless of how we feel we're getting lambasted in the press.

Hopefully, it passes.

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reality1 (14 posts)

16. sky is NOT falling

While MSM reports sky is falling and Dems are not have POTUS back for doing well in an effed up situation our troops are getting people out in an orderly fashion.

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Star Member Aristus (56,267 posts)

18. I don't think the failure of a 20-year, 2 trillion dollar attempt at ill-advised nation-building

can be laid at President Biden's door. Unless someone can convince me that we would have been successful if we had waited 40 years and spent 4 trillion dollars.

Or 60 years and 6 trillion dollars.

And so, ad infinitum…

The computer in WarGames had it right: the best way to win is not to play.

This was screwed up from the very beginning in 2001. Bush/Cheney wanted a big, showy, splashy war on which to run their re-election campaign. They pointlessly, stupidly, chose the Graveyard of Empires, blockheadedly refusing to understand that Afghanistan is called that for a reason...

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reality1 (14 posts)

33. Military side is secure

Thousands being airlifted just today and will continue for weeks.

No way to keep Taliban from blocking roads in to the airport once the Afghan government gave up and fled. Also if the Taliban didn't block the roads our troops would be overrun with all sorts of civilians on the tarmac again. Not everyone that needs to get out will but a lot of them will and a lot already have.

In regards to the "greatest airlift in history" Republicans are already shaping a narrative that we're already taking too many people out.

Look for articles in the future possibly by same author..."Biden causing an Afghan refugee crisis in U.S. as thousands pour in, mars Presidency blah blah"
Tucker is already on this.

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Star Member Demsrule86 (54,054 posts)

48. First of all TFG made a deal with the Taliban after the election to cause trouble IMHO...so he

needs to be called out. George Bush should never, never have gone there. As for the courts and Russia, I have no issue calling it. Why should Biden be blamed for problems that were created by others? I am sick of the media; and even before this, I had stopped watching...cut the cord. I don't watch MSNBC and I don't watch CNN. They gave Trump a pass for four years and now spend enormous amounts of time going after Biden. It's a feeding frenzy...I am not watching.

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30. Watching tens of thousands of Afghan's getting slaughtered

beheaded, whipped, killed is horrifying. I expected so much better and more humanity from our side.

i'm completely disallusioned.

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Star Member Demsrule86 (54,054 posts)

39. Watching hundreds of our young men and women in uniform slaughtered is no picnic either.

This is especially true if members of your family are serving. It was a mistake to ever have gone...but I kind of hope we planted a seed.

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samsingh (16,170 posts)

40. i understand there were no soldiers killed in Afghanistan in the last 18 months.

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Star Member Demsrule86 (54,054 posts)

37. I don't think he screwed it up. The Media frenzy is ridiculous. I was always for Joe and Continue

to support and have faith in him in all areas. I will not listen to the Bullshit from a media that gave Trump a pass for four years...And I would remind you that Trump brokered the deal which forced Biden's hand. Also, I am glad to leave Afghanistan...never should have gone there. I am glad my family members will never have to go there again (they are in the service). When you pull troops out, there are always issues. but all in all, despite the yellow journalism, I think Biden is doing a fine job.

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Star Member rockfordfile (6,859 posts)

42. No he didn't

Bushco and trump decided that. Going in decided 20 years decided that. All you're doing is sounding like a right-winger that knows they're to blame.

I got news, no matter when we were getting out of that country, it wasn't going to be a kumbaya.

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Star Member honest.abe (5,616 posts)

47. I think you are watching too much MSM.

Clearly its a mess and chaotic but given the situation I think it was mostly unavoidable. I suspect if you turned back time and reran the past several days over and over it would have been basically same result no matter what.

In fact Joe Biden should be commended for having the guts to finally pull the plug. No other POTUS in the past 20 years did.

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Re: Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2021, 07:59:13 AM »
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Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.

Nice spelling, by the way.

For some reason, have a feeling that researching Yorkie Mom's posts might indicate otherwise.  She probably adored Crazy Uncle Bernie or Fauxcahontas.  Remember, all DUmmies lie all of the time.
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Re: Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2021, 08:28:59 AM »
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This was screwed up from the very beginning in 2001. Bush/Cheney wanted a big, showy, splashy war on which to run their re-election campaign. They pointlessly, stupidly, chose the Graveyard of Empires, blockheadedly refusing to understand that Afghanistan is called that for a reason...
I very clearly recall Rumsfeld saying (on my TV machine) that this would not be a war that would make headlines. The plan was to hunt down Al Quaeda and kill them in their sleep. Made it sound like most of us wouldn't even be aware that there was a war going on. I have not seen mention of that strategy even once in the last 20 years. Doesn't anyone else remember him saying that???
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Re: Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2021, 08:29:54 AM »
Come on man!  That was four or five days ago!!
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Re: Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2021, 08:31:50 AM »
They screwed the pooch so bad if they were deeper Hunter would have it on video.
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Re: Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2021, 09:43:29 AM »
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37. I don't think he screwed it up. The Media frenzy is ridiculous. I was always for Joe and Continue

to support and have faith in him in all areas. I will not listen to the Bullshit from a media that gave Trump a pass for four years...And I would remind you that Trump brokered the deal which forced Biden's hand. Also, I am glad to leave Afghanistan...never should have gone there. I am glad my family members will never have to go there again (they are in the service). When you pull troops out, there are always issues. but all in all, despite the yellow journalism, I think Biden is doing a fine job.

What the Fing F?  Where does this guy live, under a rock?  Life in Bizarro World is, well, bizarre.
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Re: Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2021, 10:00:28 AM »
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Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.

I thought he was the right person for the job at the time.

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Re: Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
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Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.

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Re: Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2021, 04:17:33 PM »
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6. I agree the buck stops with the CIC

but he did get bad intelligence from General Milley, I believe.

Biden's Generals are more worried about political correctness than killing enemies.
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Re: Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2021, 04:48:47 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on August 19, 2021, 04:17:33 PM
Biden's Generals are more worried about political correctness than killing enemies.

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Re: Biden was my first choice as POTUS from the beninning.
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2021, 09:01:58 AM »
Quote from: freedumb2003b on August 19, 2021, 09:43:29 AM
What the Fing F?  Where does this guy live, under a rock?  Life in Bizarro World is, well, bizarre.

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52. That is a right wing source...Wall Street Journal...

WSJ right wing?  Ok, if you say so.   :whatever:

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Star Member DemocratSinceBirth (97,039 posts)
17. I'm not going to pile on Joe.

When these things crop up the first question I ask myself is if this is good for the Democratic party as the Democratic party is the only thing that stands between us and the American Taliban, i.e. the Republican party.

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69. My paramount concern is the welfare of the Democratic party.

I also care about the welfare of the women and people who worked with us in Afghanistan

A bit of honesty, party over everything.  I'm shocked.  At the admonition, not that a DU member puts party over everything else. 
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