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First things, first.  FIRST, it was the unvaccinated essential employees who kept things moving along during this time and some of them don't want to get vaccinated at this moment, for reasons of their own.  During that time we were told those who were required to work would need to bow down to those who were too terrified to leave their homes, for reasons of their own.  By that I mean, we were told we had to mask up everywhere, social distance, not see loved ones or attend gatherings because we could get SOMEONE else sick.  Someone who might be compromised.  So the majority were set upon to facilitate the minority.


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The unvaccinated don't have the right to give us COVID. Crack down on them, not us.

Interesting op-ed in USA Today by Richard Florida and Arthur Caplan:

People are free to make all the bad choices they want when it comes to themselves, but not when they put others in danger and incur costs that we all must pay. (So I'm to assume you feel the same way about most of the homeless and those who are on welfare due to their bad decisions?) This is where we find ourselves today with the COVID-19 vaccine. Until now, the default has been to err on the side of liberty, allowing individuals a maximum of free choice and personal responsibility.  (Really?  When did that happen?  This lockdown/mask stuff has gone on for over a year, and you call that liberty?)

But as the pandemic has evolved, this model is no longer viable. With the highly infectious delta variant surging, (and appears at this point to be far less deadly, but no one wants to mention that) the unvaccinated are posing direct risks to the health and well-being of the immunocompromised, the frail and the elderly, and especially young children, (this is a lie) who cannot yet be vaccinated. The ethical challenge is crystal clear: The actions – or, in this case, the inactions – of the unvaccinated pose clear risks for society writ large. As the old saying goes: Your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins.


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Ethical dilemmas often entail tough choices, but this one is easy. The choice to not vaccinate does far more harm than any infringement of the rights of the unvaccinated. While society cannot and should not force anyone to vaccinate, we can and should require them to take responsibility for their choices.

The unvaccinated should be required to disclose their status, so that the people they come into contact with can make informed decisions about their own health and safety. They should be required to mask and distance when they are in public spaces. They should be required to quarantine when they travel.  (yet you cringe and scream when someone mentions making the unvaccinated wear a yellow star?
 How do you propose all of what you suggested happen?  With casual conversations everywhere you go?)
To make all this possible, we need to accelerate the use of effective vaccine passports. And health insurance companies can and should impose added costs on the unvaccinated, just as they do for smokers.


Worth reading the entire op-ed at:

https://news.yahoo.com/unvaccinated-dont-us-covid-crack-071502406.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall


This stuff is making me crazy.  More infections, yet less deaths ... what will it be next?  I can guess, they'll want everyone to mask up during the cold and flu season so THEY don't feel like morons walking around  with a face mask on.

Again I ask, WHO are the fascists?

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Cars need to be banned because some folks drive recklessly, drunk, or stoned.  Therefore, we all have to get off the roads.

And now, libs are screaming at all conservatives and us "rubes" are the problem.  They ignore the fact that inner city black and Hispanics lag far behind in taking the vaccination.
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Discussed this in a recent thread:

https://conservativecave.com/cave/index.php?topic=125532.0

And now, libs are screaming at all conservatives and us "rubes" are the problem.  They ignore the fact that inner city black and Hispanics lag far behind in taking the vaccination.

And lets not forget all of the illegal aliens flooding the country through the southern border without the requirement of being tested or vaccinated for Covid, all thanks to the no border policy of the Puppet President and the people pulling his strings.
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If your goddam mask and vaccine work no one is a threat to you.

Why not mandatory reporting for AIDS/HIV, or hepatitis?
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The unvaccinated don't have the right to give us COVID. Crack down on them, not us.

 :bs2flag: There is no such thing as zero-risk in the real world.

 :bs2flag: Why don't vaxxed DUmmies believe their vaccination is effective?

 :bs2flag: The vaccinated don't have the right to force their will on the unvaccinated.

 :bs2flag: Scratch a Prog, find a Stalinist.
If The Vaccine is deadly as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, millions now living would have died.

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The unvaccinated don't have the right to give us COVID.

And you don’t have the right to take it from them.

I know, primitive, that flew right over your tiny little head. I’ll explain it in a way way that someone that’s even as simpleminded as you can understand.

Here you go.

It doesn’t matter if someone who is vaxxed or not passes along C19, the impetus is upon you to not get it by taking whatever personal precautions you deem necessary. Among those precautions is NOT forcing others to succumb to your every desire, like the Nazi that you are. It involves what you can do as an individual to yourself, and that’s all.

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If your goddam mask and vaccine work no one is a threat to you.

Why not mandatory reporting for AIDS/HIV, or hepatitis?

Quite the opposite these days. California says it's okay to try and give people HIV.

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Quite the opposite these days. California says it's okay to try and give people HIV.
Really? I know they market a suppressant medication for AIDS (covid "vaccine" is also a suppressant) so it doesn't show up in testing
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I don't know how any of you can live with yourselves.

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Really? I know they market a suppressant medication for AIDS (covid "vaccine" is also a suppressant) so it doesn't show up in testing


October, 2017

California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law Senate Bill (SB) 239, which reduces penalties for knowingly exposing a sexual partner to HIV.

Under current California law, it is felony offense punishable by 3 to 8 years in prison. The new law, which was signed by Brown on Oct. 6 and takes effect January 1, changes this to a misdemeanor, carrying a 6-month prison term — the same punishment as knowingly exposing someone to other communicable diseases.

The law also reduces the penalty for knowingly donating blood infected with HIV from a felony to a misdemeanor.  https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/new-california-law-reduces-penalty-knowingly-exposing-someone-hiv-n809416

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I still don't understand this...  If you're vaccinated, HOW can I give you covid??
The pendulum must eventually swing the other way.  We have been pushed so far to the left, that when the breaking point arrives, we will swing harder and faster to the right than ever before.  It's only a matter of time.  It's unavoidable. It's just simple physics.

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October, 2017

California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law Senate Bill (SB) 239, which reduces penalties for knowingly exposing a sexual partner to HIV.

Under current California law, it is felony offense punishable by 3 to 8 years in prison. The new law, which was signed by Brown on Oct. 6 and takes effect January 1, changes this to a misdemeanor, carrying a 6-month prison term — the same punishment as knowingly exposing someone to other communicable diseases.

The law also reduces the penalty for knowingly donating blood infected with HIV from a felony to a misdemeanor.  https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/new-california-law-reduces-penalty-knowingly-exposing-someone-hiv-n809416
Woah...and they worry about us being a problem
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20. absolute bullshit. the cave is unspeakably vile.

I don't know how any of you can live with yourselves.

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