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Star Member NanceGreggs (26,136 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215174844I have spent over three decades in courtrooms and what I could tell you about he said/she said testimony would shake your faith in humankind.I have heard women accuse men of sexual assault, even rape, only to recant when their stories fell apart on the witness stand. I have heard both men and women accuse each other of sexually assaulting their own children in an attempt to win custody in divorce proceedings. I have watched children being coached to testify against their own mother/father – confused and bewildered by the roles they are expected to play before a judge or jury.The concept of ‘always believe the woman’ when she claims a sexual assault is just as abhorrent as ‘always believe the man’. No one should be believed until all of the facts are thoroughly investigated, and proven beyond any reasonable doubt.Men lie – and so do women. One’s gender should never be proffered as proof of anything, nor should one’s accusations be weighed as being more credible because of one’s gender.Whatever anyone has accused Andrew Cuomo of is just that – accusations. Nothing more, nothing less. And accusations alone do not constitute guilt or innocence.It is decidedly an unpopular position to say let the facts play out, when so many people have already made up their minds as to who is actually guilty based on female-v-male stereotypes – which are, quite frankly, no less abhorrent than white-v-black stereotypes. To say 'believe the woman no matter what' is no different than saying 'believe the white person no matter what'.In the end, Cuomo’s conduct will be investigated – and rushing to judgment about whether he is guilty of the accusations made against him are true or not will be revealed.In the meantime, one has to wonder about accusations made years after they allegedly occurred as a matter of actual fact, or a matter of advancing a political agenda, given that these accusations have conveniently surfaced just in time to besmirch the reputation of the governor of the state that is actively pursuing the crimes of one Donald J. Trump.Trash me if you’ve a mind to – I am all out of ****s to give. But I do have a serious problem with men OR women who suddenly remember things that supposedly happened years ago, and whose memories just kicked-in when politically convenient.We've been here before. We lost one of our most admired Democratic heroes, Al Franken, to lies and innuendo - and I for one will not stand by in silence and watch that happen again.
Star Member Hortensis (43,974 posts) 65. The attempt to smear Biden as a sexual predator comes to mind.Not just of women, but children. Given zero evidence to support that, and his half century of kindness and decency, and crowds of angry friends, the fallback attack was the attempt to rebrand him as "Creepy Uncle Joe."That failed completely, of course. But Nance's memories of people under oath illustrate how some people behave any time they want to.As said, we've been here before. Many times.
Star Member CaliforniaPeggy (136,204 posts) 3. Thank you, Nance. Very well said. You are so eloquent, and wise. We need your voice...Now, more than ever.
Star Member Hoyt (47,855 posts) 7. Basically agree. However, I think a lot of women don't come forwardat the time because of publicity and fear of harsh investigations. It’s a tough situation, women have suffered and some men have been crucified by false charges.Believe harassment is a very serious issue.
PoliticAverse (22,614 posts) 8. The Governor of New York has nothing to do with actively pursuing the crimes of one Donald J. TrumpThat is a matter of the Attorney General of New York (Letitia James) who is neither appointed nor controlled by the governor but rather is elected separately.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_James
Star Member rpannier (22,460 posts) 9. I agree with you partlyBut, let's be honest here75% of the people who agree with your position would reflexively believe the accuser if Cuomo were a RepublicanI'm willing to let it play out and see what happens (and how it is investigated).For the record, I am in the, "He likely did what he's accused of."But, I am staying away from 99% of these threads because I do not know.I will be curious the next time an accusation is thrown against a Republican how many of the 'let it play out' crowd will immediately say he should resign, or of course he's guilty
moondust (16,744 posts) 14. "Lag time" for Franken: 14 years.USO tour picture in 2003.Other "incidents" in 2006 and 2010.Accusations surfaced in late 2017.Roger Stone pushed allegations in RW media.Al resigned in early 2018.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Franken#Sexual_misconduct_allegationsWhat took the accusers so long?
Jose Garcia (1,565 posts) 76. So you believe that these three Democratic women are trying to help Trump AFTER he lost the election? Suspicious timing indeed.
Star Member LittleGirl (6,206 posts) 29. I'm with you Nanceas a victim of assault and rape, I don't believe every accusation either. I want to hear the proof.
Star Member NanceGreggs (26,136 posts) 31. I am sorry for your travails.But I applaud your courage in saying what you did.
Star Member Texasgal (16,349 posts) 30. Except for the factthat women are often not believed in these types of situations as history has shown.This OP is victim shaming and I am shocked and quite frankly depressed to see it here on DU.
Star Member NanceGreggs (26,136 posts) 34. And except for the fact ...... that men are often not believed, as history has also shown.I am not 'victim shaming' - I am 'liar shaming'.
Star Member Texasgal (16,349 posts) 37. Yup.Women are consistently questioned and called liars in situations like these.I am not going to argue or get into a big debate over this, because this doesn't shock me anymore.It's clear what you think.
Star Member kcr (14,227 posts) 67. Assuming that these women are liars IS victim shamingYour OP is disappointing.
Star Member NanceGreggs (26,136 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215174844I have spent over three decades in courtrooms and what I could tell you about he said/she said testimony would shake your faith in humankind.I have heard women accuse men of sexual assault, even rape, only to recant when their stories fell apart on the witness stand. I have heard both men and women accuse each other of sexually assaulting their own children in an attempt to win custody in divorce proceedings. I have watched children being coached to testify against their own mother/father – confused and bewildered by the roles they are expected to play before a judge or jury.The concept of ‘always believe the woman’ when she claims a sexual assault is just as abhorrent as ‘always believe the man’. No one should be believed until all of the facts are thoroughly investigated, and proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
I'm old enough to remember the Brent Kavanaugh hearings.
Star Member Hortensis (43,974 posts)65. The attempt to smear Biden as a sexual predator comes to mind.Not just of women, but children. Given zero evidence to support that, and his half century of kindness and decency, and crowds of angry friends, the fallback attack was the attempt to rebrand him as "Creepy Uncle Joe."
Three decades in courtrooms Nance? How many counts of DUI, drunk in public and disorderly conduct have you recieved?
Fri Sep 21, 2018, 10:44 PMStar Member NanceGreggs (26,136 posts)Kavanaugh is GuiltyGiven the actions of and the statements from the Republicans, that’s the only reasonable conclusion I can come to.There’s also Kavanaugh’s behaviour. I can’t imagine being innocent of the allegation of a violent attack and attempted rape, and not insisting on a full investigation to restore my reputation and clear my name.Does that sound like a rush to judgment? Of course it does – because it is. But it’s no more of a rush to judgment than the Republicans are making in assuming Kavanaugh’s innocence.Am I being unfair? You’re damned real I am. But due to the GOP’s unfairness to Professor Ford, why should I act any differently?The Republicans could have delayed Kavanaugh’s confirmation. They could have investigated, called witnesses, heard Ms. Ford’s story. But they refused to take any steps to ensure that the next Supreme Court justice would be elevated to that position without any doubt as to his honesty and integrity.In other words, they chose NOT to clear Kavanaugh. That just screams a knowledge of guilt – if not about this particular event, then perhaps about some other things they feared would be exposed.Apparently the Republicans are just as comfortable putting an accused rapist on the Supreme Court as they were putting a traitor in the White House.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100211163891Eat shit and die you lying asswipe.JeffR is still enjoying hell as a relief.
Star Member NanceGreggs (26,136 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215174844I have spent over three decades in courtrooms
...And yet you're still free, instead of doing serious time for all those years of DUI charges...
But DAT, you gotta understand something:She's better than us. So, she gets a pass.
Didn't "Lurch" John Kerry recently claim that people like him needed to fly on private jets unlike the rest of us proletariats?
