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xmas74 (26,473 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029897722Is it just me or does this sound transphobichttp://elkesaunders.com/blog/isthisinstagrampostoffensive?format=amp It what social justice warriors call "non-inclusive" language and a form of hate speech To support women, to serve women and to hear that mighty woman's "roar" is not okay. Suddenly the being a feminist is not left/liberal enough. In fact, the feminists are the new enemies. The LGBTQ has a name for those of us who are into empowering women. It's a slur. In case you didn't know...you are now a "TERF", which stands for TRANS EXCLUSIVE RADICAL FEMINIST. When we tout the power of "woman", we are excluding men who give birth. And asexuals that give birth....all the transgenders, bigenders and all others who don't identify with women but still grow a baby in a uterus and push it out of a vagina.
SharonClark (3,110 posts) 1. No.
Star Member stevenleser (31,895 posts) 3. How do you figure Terfs are not transphobic bigots?
Star Member stevenleser (31,895 posts) 2. Terfs are bigots, its that simple. Yes they are transphobic but thats just the beginning nt
Star Member stevenleser (31,895 posts) 7. Not surprised. Their belief system is evil and disjointed.See the rationalwiki article I linked below. Much to much for one to type out on my iPhone.
Star Member wasupaloopa (647 posts) 8. Are there enough of these people that I should be concernedabout them? This is the first I heard of them.
Ms. Toad (15,821 posts) 17. Mostly older lesbians,it was a different time, and there were a lot of dynamics going on that are challenging to explain to anyone who didn't live through it. Many of these women came of age in a time of extreme gender role playing - you were butch or femme. Suffice it to say, having spaces free of male bodies was a matter of emotional safety for many of us who were targeted for rape and sexual abuse not only as women, but specifically as lesbians (much in the way that trans women are currently targeted). The biggest and most vocal group of TERFs ran the Michigan Women's Music Festival - an annual gathering of women in the woods, largely perceved as a safe space for women (primarily lesbians). For one week, women could enjoy the same shirtless (or even less clothed) freedom that men enjoy on a routine basis. Along come trans women, many of whom still have male bodies, and who, early in transition, still exude a male feel to them (e.g. mansplaining, manspreading, taking up far more space on the dance floor than people socialized as women); people with male bodies that were denied to many butches (some of whom would have wanted to transition had the option been available), and people with male bodies from which many women at Michigan were seeking refuge. It made many people with female bodies feel that their only safe space was being invaded by the very people who made the rest of their lives unsafe. Speaking personally, there have been times in my four-decade long recovery from rape when I needed spaces free from male bodies - the shower/bathroom - where I took refuge immediately after being raped. I waited there for hours while I was waiting for someone to come get me, as the only place I felt at all safe - because I knew/felt that there wouldn't be anyone bearing the weapon that had just been used against me. Note: this is not the random "these men are hiding in the bathroom to attack women or children." For me it was always a purely emotional response to having had a penis used against me. When I'm in the middle of a PTSD attack, it makes no difference who it is attached to. It has been a long time since I felt that way - but it is never far from my emotional memory. Intellectually, I know trans women are women. Not only women, but women who currently face a far bigger threat than I face as a cis-woman. Because of this I never act on those feelings, even on the rare occasion I have them. I'm not endorsing acting out the unhealthy dynamic - just trying to explain a bit of it. My daughter's generation is much more inclusive. Gender roles are alot more fluid these days, which seems to make a world of difference.
Star Member MountCleaners (522 posts) 28. The problem is their presence onlineIf you go to YouTube to watch videos on trans issues, you will find tons of videos by TERFS. It is something to be concerned about, as they are doing nothing to discourage transphobes from using their videos AND they are misrepresenting feminism. A lot of them argue things like: menstruation is what makes a woman a woman (in one video I saw, a woman claimed, "my period ROCKS!". No my period does not "rock". I don't like being defined by the fact that I menstruate. And what does that say about women who don't?
xmas74 (26,473 posts) 65. I no longer menstruate.I entered a slightly premature menopause. Does my lack of menstrual blood no longer define me as a woman?
Star Member pnwmom (86,584 posts) 15. I'm confused. Is there really something wrong with midwives, or any of us,using words like "laboring woman" or "pregnant woman"? Because the writer of the article says she has been directed not to use those terms . . . These are the guidelines we as midwives are now supposed to use when referring to our pregnant and birthing population in speech and in writing: You can't say birthing or pregnant woman, you have to say pregnant PERSON You can't say, laboring woman. It has to be laboring PERSON. You can't say mother. You have to say PARENT.Is she just making that up? IOW, is this "fake news"?
Ms. Toad (15,821 posts) 16. Some men and non-binary people give birth.The request is intended to make the language inclusive to all people giving birth, including those who do not identify as women.
Ms. Toad (15,821 posts) 37. Just put yourself in the position of a trans man giving birth, looking for a midwife,Many of whom, if you are not aware, are Evangelical Christians (I wasn't aware of this until I searched for one when I gave birth to my daughter - it's quite the cottage industry). I certainly would have welcomed that visual cue that the midwife was aware of and sympathetic to a variety of family types. I don't know that the terms used are the best, but being more welcoming to all people giving birth - regardless of gender identity is a good thing, as is avoiding gender-specific identifying language when it is not exclusive to one gender. There are trans women friends of mine who have been denied prostate care, for example, until they permitted their doctors and insurance company to misgender them, so insisting on a link between biology and gender is not just emotionally offensive, it is also medically harmful.
kcr (11,302 posts) 40. I'm sorry everyone can't be as aware as you are, Ms. Toad. We're Trying.But see. I'm thinking that the best way to get the tough cases like Evangelicals to come around is to actually appeal to their sense of empathy. Midwives, in particular, are the best targets because naturally empathetic people are drawn to that profession, and I think that will just come naturally with time for them. Try to force that on them with top-down policy changes like the ones mentioned in the OP won't do that. They're just guaranteed to piss everyone off.
kcr (11,302 posts) 29. TERF is a slurIs there an equivalent for men? Of course there isn't. There's no push to exclude mentioning penises because that excludes trans men. There's no derogatory term for men who would rightly feel that's ridiculous. Because that never happens. TERF is just another way to slur feminism, and they point to a few women who are bigots to smear all feminists to justify it.
Ms. Toad (15,821 posts) 69. Feminazi is a right wing slur against all feminists.TERF is an accurate description of a small group of radical feminists who intentionally exclude transwomen. What about it is not an accurate description of this subgroup of feminists? Yes, it has a negative connotation but that is because in feminist circles, exclusion of trans individual is negative. As far as being a right wing slur against feminists - in what world do right wingers believe exclusion of transpeople is a bad thing? Frankly, they would be cheering the exclusion of trans women, and it would be a badge of honor - not a slur. TERF is a term primarily used by feminists and trans individuals to distinguish the small subgroup of feminists that intentional excludes transwomen.
Oneironaut (2,360 posts) 48. There is no "agenda." The supposed "agenda" is a right wing strawman created to discredit the LGBTQcommunity. It's thinly-veiled bullshit.
Star Member Initech (64,947 posts) 34. The term "social justice warrior" is right wing hate speech.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior
Ms. Toad (15,821 posts)16. Some men and non-binary people give birth.The request is intended to make the language inclusive to all people giving birth, including those who do not identify as women.
Star Member pnwmom (86,584 posts) 15. I'm confused. Is there really something wrong with midwives, or any of us,
There aren't enough flow charts someone could produce that can explain it all. And if someone did try, the charts would be obsolete by the time they would be completed.
And denounced as everything-ist and everything-phobic.
mas74 (26,473 posts) 65. I no longer menstruate.I entered a slightly premature menopause. Does my lack of menstrual blood no longer define me as a woman?
Ted Kennedy is the only person with an actual confirmed kill in the war on women.
Ms. Toad (15,821 posts) 16. Some men and non-binary people give birth.
