Atman recalls a Playmate

[franksolich]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029646796#post117

Oh my.

Forget the original post, which describes the death of that Old Decadent Hugh Hefner; this is down towards the middle of a long thread:

Atman (30,645 posts)      Thu Sep 28, 2017, 05:19 PM

117. A friend of mine was one of the 25th Anniversary Playmates.

I'm still in contact with her on a regular basis. She did a beautiful, artistic layout in the magazine -- remember, it's not as if nudes were invented by Hefner -- and used her earnings to go to get a law degree. She never did any of the cheap films or things some of the models do after they leave Playboy, but she did return to the Mansion for anniversaries and parties. She was one of the first people I saw post about Hefner's death. She was very saddened and very grateful for everything the Playboy organization did for her and her career. Again, she's a lawyer now.

It's all a matter of perspective.

^^^the guy's as bad a name-dropper as Marc, the DFW primitive.

Adrahil (10,573 posts)      Thu Sep 28, 2017, 05:51 PM

125. The fact that she did well with what she got...

Doesn't change the nature of the exploitation. Ultimately we all make our own choices, of course, but I'd prefer a world where a woman didn't have to sell herself as spank bank material to go to law school.

Atman (30,645 posts)      Thu Sep 28, 2017, 06:12 PM

133. I think the key words are "have to."

Her family was not broke. She was a top student, probably could have (or did) get some scholarships. But when recruiters came to town she said "why not?" We lived in a beach town, it was late '70s. We all grew up practically naked anyway, wore bathing suits to school, modesty was not a big deal. She was already known as a local beauty, why not see what happens?

I totally understand what you're saying, and the overall tone of the thread. But I think what is missing is the underlying message that we're all different, we're all our own selves, and we all look at life from varying perspectives. I know people who won't walk across their own house naked. What kind of shame brings that on? I don't see it as an exploitation thing, because it is timeless. Fine art from as far back as history reaches features nude figures, both men and women. Some sexual, some pornographic, some artistic. It's who we are.

From the Playboy perspective, I celebrate the magazine. Each issue had maybe 16 pages of partially clad women amidst 150 pages of politics, opinion, news, pop culture, cartoons, satire, and literature. Yeah, literature. Some of the finest authors ever in print. Hefner was an iconoclast, a ground breaker, a visionary. Back in the day, when I subscribed, I had to wait a day or two to get my hands on the latest issue because my wife always got it first and read it cover to cover. Maybe she looked at the pictures, too.

Just sayin', I think Hefner gets a bad rap by many who don't really know the story. Check out the Amazon series about Playboy. It's a good look at the so-called empire.

And as a bonus, the Bostonian Drunkard's maternal ancestress:

Raven (11,531 posts)      Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:58 PM

174. Oh yes, he liberated women...

to become sex objects. He was a disgusting man.

[Undies]

Raven Mad (11,531 posts)      Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:58 PM

174. Oh yes, he liberated women...

to become sex objects. He was a disgusting man.

I am so glad we didn't elect a woman to be president of the United States.  Women, apparently, are very weak-minded and completely malleable; so easily manipulated by nefarious men.  They don't seem to be able to think for themselves at all. 

We don't need characters destined for unavoidable victimhood to be in charge of anything important. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

I am so glad we didn't elect a woman to be president of the United States.  Women, apparently, are very weak-minded and completely malleable; so easily manipulated by nefarious men.  They don't seem to be able to think for themselves at all. 

We don't need characters destined for unavoidable victimhood to be in charge of anything important.

I'll make this as non crude as possible, Undies.  Has anyone ever had, umm, self pleasure to Hillary?  Think of how many adolescent & adults, men, women, LGBTQ, have enjoyed the airbrushed beautiful naked female body.  Thanks to Mr. Hefner.

RIP.

[franksolich]

I'm really disappointed that Jugs, the BainsBane primitive, never showed up on that thread.

[Undies]

I'll make this as non crude as possible, Undies.  Has anyone ever had, umm, self pleasure to Hillary?  Think of how many adolescent & adults, men, women, LGBTQ, have enjoyed the airbrushed beautiful naked female body.  Thanks to Mr. Hefner.

RIP.

To read remarks made by the likes of that Raven DUmbass you would think women have no say in the matter.  I am tired of leftists switching back and forth about the abilities of women to be saints and sluts or victims and soldiers.  The DUmmies are always trying to get away with using women like a political windsock. 

[Carl]

I don`t get it.

Since the 60s the left has been telling us that sex and hedonism will set us all free and then they bitch because some took them up on it?