Many Trump voters are NOT a lost cause...

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Whiskeytide (1,958 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029581876

Many Trump voters are NOT a lost cause...


... I live in a very red state. I know many personally. Sure. There are a lot of dicks who support him. He's a dick, so dicks are drawn to him. And dicks tend to be loud and do dickish things that draw attention to their dickishness. I don't personally know a lot of these people, but I see them and have some interaction with them. They are there, no doubt.

But in addition to the dicks, there are a lot of people who were taken in by the dick's carnival show. They were swept up by the crazy, the anti-Clinton drum beat, and the Russian social media strategy. These people are not dicks. And the more he and his administration act like dicks, the more distance they put between themselves and the circus. But they're quiet about it. They don't talk politics around the water cooler.

We have to STOP shitting on republican voters. Shit on Trump. Shit on his administration. Shit on his policies. All fair game. But there is ZERO political capital to be gained from shitting on republican voters generally and in a personal way. If they are true supporters, they'll wear your criticism as a badge of honor anyway. If they are having second thoughts (as I know many are), your dickishness will simply drive them more securely into the arms of the republicans in 2020. I'd rather they were offered an alternative. Or at least encouraged to stay home.

Treating them like shit (and I've done it some myself) is strategically stupid. My dad use to tell me to try not to be stupid. If he were still here, I think he'd remind me of that.

Let's see... I can already guess what the DUmpmonkiez will call us:

Racist
Stupid
NAZIs
Ignorant
Religious Bigots
Women Haters

dalton99a (11,980 posts)
1. Last I looked 88% said they would vote for Trump again

in other words a hugely overwhelming majority

 \\If the [R]s would get off their asses it would probably be better numbers.

Johonny (14,946 posts)
45. I've seen this appeal to know and understand these people my whole life

By now I've got it. They're low info voters that have voted against themselves their whole life. Most won't change. Many aren't terrible humans, but they're bad, horrifically bad at politics. Many also have race issues and other bigoted issues. I think we can assume these people aren't suddenly going to find the light. They vote the same way, year after years after year... when you vote for crap, expect to be crapped on. Certainly don't look for respect from me. At least not in politics with these people. Look what they've created and try to respect that. You can't.

We've spent years cuddling these people, that's why they've not changed. It's time to give them no respect. They don't deserve it. Stop cuddling these people, seriously.

 

103 replies... all pretty much the same thing.

Caliman73 (2,712 posts)
28. They can find their way to the Democratic Party.

We shouldn't have to coddle them. They screwed up and they should be reminded that they screwed up. Their actions or inaction is still having consequences. We should not do anything but put out the message of what the Democratic Party stands for and wants for the people of this country and the rest of the world. It is up to people to be informed.

Lost cause, I think is irrelevant. We are the same Democratic Party that we have been. We support Unions and we support living wages. We are generally against militarism. We are for gender equality and the protection of civil rights. We are for having a sane and equitable immigration policy. We support practicing any faith tradition, but not imposing particular faith traditions on the public, which means that if you own a bakery, you bake cakes for weddings, not just particular weddings that your god thinks are okay. If you are pharmacist and you get a prescription for birth control or the morning after pill, you fill it or make sure it gets filled by some one in a timely manner.

If Trump voters support that then they should vote for Democratic candidates, period. If not, then they should keep voting for whoever else espouses their values. Trump and the Republicans have repeatedly shown what their priorities are over the last 30 years, and their priorities do not include the welfare of poor, working class, and middle class people.[/quote

 

Girard442 (997 posts)
31. OK. What, exactly are you going say to Trump voters to win them back that hasn't already been said?

* Dems will bring you better health care while Repubs want to shut it down? Check.

* Fox News is lying to you? Check.

* Donald Trump is a loathsome person, a failed businessman, and a Nazi sympathizer? Check.

* Repubs will cut your services and give the savings to the rich? Check.

* Repubs will destroy equal rights for women? Check.

* Repubs will do nothing to combat the looming global climate catastrophe? Check.

What would be those magic words that win them over?

On edit: There's a whole lot more more stuff I didn't get to. Don't have all day.

MLAA (433 posts)
34. My 2 cents

There may well be a handful of Trump voters that didn't vote for Trump for 'racial anxiety' and misogynistic reasons (however I doubt it based on recent analysis referenced in an earlier post.)

So here's what I hear when I hear 'let's be nice' and not hold them accountable they were only worried about their jobs and that is why they voted for a sexual predator-bully-scammer-unexperiencd-selfish clown'

-Donald Trump just became president tonight (every time after a barely cogent TelePrompTer reading)
-I think this is the point Donald pivots to being a real president (How many times have you heard that?)

-There are fine people on both sides.

Should a truly repentant Trump voter actually show up and acknowledge the damage they have done, I will drive them to the next RESIST event.

tonedevil (570 posts)
57. When did donald...

hide is racism? How do you vote for an open and unapologetic racist and get to claim you aren't racist?

Star Member Doreen (4,538 posts)
59. I do not give a **** if they are sorry for voting him.

They voted from a space of hate and now it is to damn late to be sorry. They already have put millions of peoples lives in danger including theirs. This is not like a test in school that they ****ed up on because they did not study because that only hurts them and not millions of people. That is great that they are sorry but will they vote differently next time? ( probably not. )

Star Member Doreen (4,538 posts)
68. I will wait until the next elections come up and if they are TRULY sorry they will change their votes an not vote repuke at all because the repukes are on trumps side whether they say it or not. Just voting repuke is supporting trump. Time will tell and they have to PROVE it at least to me.

 

jcmaine72 (94 posts)
63. "We have to STOP shitting on republican voters" Bullshit! If anyone has done any shitting here...

...it is the Trump voter. THEY choose to shit on decency by voting for a confirmed racist and misogynist of the first order. THEY are a lost cause because THEY choose to be. If anyone needs to be conciliatory, it is THEY, not us.

And please! I'm so tired of being told as a liberal Democrat that the fault somehow lies with me and that I need to reach out to these ignorant, drool-dripping, cow-tipping, hate/fear/race-obsessed quisling rubes. THEY voted for hate, ignorance and fear. Sorry, but I'm not getting on all fours and begging these people to try and use what little brain tissue they have to vote in their best interests.

Besides, at the end of the day, just in case you didn't notice, our side won the election and it was stolen from us. If we can just muster the will to energize our base better and prevent foreign governments from tampering with our elections, we''ll be fine.

Until then, I will continue shitting on Republican voters, and Trump voters in particular. After all, it is they who are actively turning this once great nation into a giant toilet bowl that is good for little else, right?

Star Member Stellar (4,974 posts)
64. Are many of Trumps voters still doing harm to people of color?

F#(k them. Are they the same voters that were saying, "Lock her up" last year.

I'm tired of people feeling sorry for Trump supporters, but none felt sorry for the Obama family and all the abuse they were taking over the years. F'em!

Star Member Afromania (842 posts)
65. nope

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They contniously vote for people that covertly, and more recently openly, use a platform that leverages white voter fear of brown and black people for their votes. I'm sure there are republicans that have decided to hold their noses single issue voters. There is even a chance they are the kind of people we don't even need to write off. However, the cut off on forgiveness for these type of republican voters was their support for trump. Once that vote was cast any easy reconciliation in the near future is an afterthought.

trump did not under any pretenses hide what he was about, what his platform was about, and what he intended to do when he got in office. His voters had better than a year and a half of him being utterly awful in the public eye to figure it out. They had years and years of back story on how much of a little crumb this man was to identify who and what he is. At no point did they stop and walk away from this guy. They let their white privilege act as a shield from his words. It allowed them the singular ability to discount his rhetoric as "just talk". Subconsciously they understood that most of what he was planning wasn't going to affect them immediately and consciously understood that what trump wanted to do would hurt objectively hurt "others". Before the "what about the black and brown people that voted for him" statement showup in responses I'll say this. I have even less for them than the "normal" trump voter. They ought to know better at this what the fallout was going to be. These are people either too willfully ignorant to fully understand the folly of their ways or felt they have enough of a "buffer" between "their-selves" and "the rest of us" for the shit to hit them as well. There have always been those that will sell out their own in order to get a preferred seat at the scraps table. Minority trump voters in any capacity are no different.

In any case, back to my original point. If you voted for trump in the last election you failed the test for being a reasonable person. Without deep and sincere apologies I will never believe a single one of these people. They ignored every single crystal clear indicator this guy was a complete garbage scow. Even now as he blunders around making the country worse every day with his republican cohort. His supports hold on for dear life, even the ones allegedly disavowing him. trump has embarrassed us in ways that the country may never recover from and STILL only 1 out of every 10 trump voters say they don't support him. Now mind you, it's not that they don't support republican ****ery or trumps stupid ass policies. Only that they don't "actively" support trump anymore. What makes anybody think these people can be trust worthy allies is be yond me. Do you really think they won't vote for another republican the first chance they get. One that can keep the dog whistle rhetoric to a minimum whilst clearly indicating that he or she will continue the republican platform's dirty work of white nationalism. I garuntee they will asap and the same Democratic votersso eager to embrace them will also find themselves stabbed in the back.

It goes without saying that I don't trust trump voters or former trump voters. By voting and continuing their support for him, even tacitly. They have discounted any support they could potentially lend to the Democratic party in the future. I understand it's hard for some Democrats to reconcile that their favorite aunt, brother, parents, cousin or best friends have done something truly horrible with their support for this guy. I am sorry you guys are going through this but similarly you should be empathetic that their vote is hitting home for your black and brown, sisters and brothers, in arms right now. Meanwhile these same trump voters who claim to not support him anymore are only doing so in tentative and excuse riddled ways possible.

Don't ever think you can be friends with the leftist scum of DU. They hate you and will never stop hating you.

[Ralph Wiggum]

The loony liberal left is the true lost cause.

[USA4ME]

I see the liberals promising citizens a lot of things. What I don't see is them promising freedom that can only be realized via individualism with its foundation rooted in eternally recognized moral standards. What I don't see liberals offering is America as defined in the US Constitution. And without that, then what's the point of even having a country?

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[67 Rover]

BEST ELECTION EVER! 

[DumbAss Tanker]

You dopes are gonna have to come up with something a lot better than Hitlery to win, no matter what BS spin she's putting out about it being everyone else's fault.

[VelvetElvis]

I don't know about you, but being called a deplorable racist Russian loving traitor by these imbeciles has this almost hypnotic appeal to me.

Why, I think I'll drive right over to the county Dem HQ and register as a Dem this afternoon! I'll stop by the store and buy me a black suit, a mask, and a bike lock, and check the net for where the next Antifa love-in near me is being held and...

Meh. I'd pull my right eye out with a pineapple corer before I'd vote for another D.  These loons are beyond batshit crazy.

What is great is that they THINK that there are all sorts of people just waiting to jump on their bandwagon, so as the real masks are going on their Antifa dogs, their figurative masks are coming off, reveling the loathsome real face of the left to the general public for what might be the first time.

2018 and 2020 can be Armegeddon for these trolls, if the GOPe can just figure out how to stop shitting on the base and actually do what they campaigned on.

So, coin flip, I suppose.