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May 01, 2017

Japan Helicopter Carrier Deployed to Protect US Vessel


Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force helicopter carrier Izumo and a U.S. supply ship are pictured as Izumo leaves Yokosuka base in Kanagawa Prefecture, southwest of Tokyo in this photo taken by Kyodo on May 1, 2017.

Japan has deployed a helicopter carrier to protect a US supply vessel and authorized to use weapons if necessary.

(WASHINGTON, DC) Japan has reportedly deployed a helicopter carrier and authorized it to use weapons, if necessary, to escort and protect a US supply vessel. The mission, performed under the country’s expanded military doctrine, marks the first such mission since WWII.

Japanese media reports that the US ship could be delivering supplies to the aircraft carrier – the USS Carl Vinson striking group, that is now conducting a joint exercise with South Korea’s navy in the Sea of Japan.

To ensure success of their escort mission, the Japanese seamen have been authorized the “minimum necessary use of weapons,” to deter any attacks amid North Korean threats to sink US ships, the Japan Times reports.

http://www.trunews.com/article/japan-helicopter-carrier-deployed-to-protect-us-vessel

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Why China 'urgently' recruiting Korean-Chinese interpreters for town near North Korea

A Chinese town near the border with North Korea is "urgently" recruiting Korean-Chinese interpreters, stirring speculation that China is bracing for an emergency situation involving its nuclear-armed neighbor.

The Oriental Daily, a Hong Kong-based news outlet published the story on Apr. 27, including a photo of a Chinese government document ordering the town of Dandong to recruit an unspecified number of Korean-Chinese interpreters to work at 10 departments in the town, including border security, public security, trade, customs and quarantine.

The document did not specify the reason behind the unusual, large-scale recruiting. But experts and local citizens said the move indicated that China was bracing for a possible military clash between the United States and North Korea.

This might trigger a huge exodus of North Koreans to border towns in China.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2017/05/103_228584.html



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Japan is sending its largest warship to protect a US vessel as it resupplies the strike group led by carrier Carl Vinson amid tensions with North Korea.

The 800ft helicopter carrier Izumo left its home port of Yokosuka, south of Tokyo, on Monday to escort the American vessel to the waters off Shikoku, around 400 miles away at the top end of Japan's south island.

The supply vessel, which is not being named, is believed to be in the region to support the 'armada' sent by President Trump to warn Kim Jong-un off conducting a sixth nuclear test.



Japan has deployed the Izumo (top), its largest ship built since the Second World War, to escort a US supply vessel (bottom) which is believed to be supporting the carrier USS Carl Vinson



The last time the Japanese and American navies were on active deployment in the Pacific together, they were fighting. On Monday carrier Izumo (bottom) guarded a US vessel (top)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4461920/Japan-sends-biggest-warship-protect-supply-ship.html

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Even though the flight deck of the Izumo isn't angled in a 'ski jump' configuration, it could carry F-35s.  Thus, it would be a 'baby carrier' along the lines of the World War II Independence-class CVLs.
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The previous, IJN, ship named Izumo was an 1890s Brit-built armored cruiser. Though obsolescent (like many other nation's armored cruisers), Izumo served in WW1. Izumo was a province in imperial Japan.

Izumo's classmate, Kaga, was also named for an imperial province, and there also was an earlier Kaga. The earlier Kaga was being built to be a battleship in the early 20s, when construction was stopped by the Washington Naval Treaty. Kaga was scheduled to be scrapped when the 1923 Tokyo earthquake damaged a battlecruiser-to-aircraft-carrier conversion Amagi beyond repair. So Kaga was converted into an aircraft carrier instead. Kaga was part of the attack on Pearl Harbor, and support the conquest of the Dutch East Indies. Under repair during the Battle of Coral Sea, Kaga was one of the 4 IJN carriers sunk at Midway.

In addition to F-35s, the modern Izumo and Kaga could, theoretically, support AV-8B Harriers (which the F-35 will replace) or V-22 Ospreys. Apparently, though, the flight deck materials are not of a type that could withstand the heat of an F-35 (or AV-8B, I assume) vertical landing. So Izumo and Kaga aren't really suitable for significant power projection.
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Even though the flight deck of the Izumo isn't angled in a 'ski jump' configuration, it could carry F-35s.  Thus, it would be a 'baby carrier' along the lines of the World War II Independence-class CVLs.

Or the IJN Zuiho.   :-)
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CVL-22 wasn't pretty, but with no island at all, Zuiho looks ugly, like there's something missing. The Independence class seems to have been a bit better, functionally, conversion, though the IJN being stretched so thin, after Midway especially, probably led to Zuiho not being used as well as it might.

Between the flood of Essex class CVs and the slightly smaller flood of the Cleveland-conversion Independence class CVLs, the IJN just got buried.
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CVL-22 wasn't pretty, but with no island at all, Zuiho looks ugly, like there's something missing. The Independence class seems to have been a bit better, functionally, conversion, though the IJN being stretched so thin, after Midway especially, probably led to Zuiho not being used as well as it might.

Between the flood of Essex class CVs and the slightly smaller flood of the Cleveland-conversion Independence class CVLs, the IJN just got buried.

Zuiho had an amazing combat record, surviving about every major naval engagement of the war, until finally being sunk in the decoy force at Leyte Gulf, while the Independence class CVLs really never fulfilled the niche for which they were built.  They were a block of Cleveland series CLs (Ships that were maximum-sized cruiser hulls already), modified on the ways quite extensively to be carriers holding about half the complement of the preceding fleet carrier classes, to fill a foreseen gap in availability between the pre-war carriers and the delivery of the very numerous and overpowering Essex class, the first of which was actually launched well before war broke out, but which took a long time to finish and fit out, being really the supercarriers of their time.  In the event, the Essex class ships started coming on line and making their presence felt before the CVLs were actually ready and able to fulfill that role, and also because the outcomes of Coral Sea, Midway, and the Guadalcanal Campaign threw the carrier balance so irretrievably into Allied favor that they ended up being used as just a faster Taffy group, with the ubiquitous CVE clusters fulfilling much of what would have been the CVLs' logical successor mission one the new real fleet carriers were appearing in force.

Very small island structures characterized both the CVEs and CVLs, partly for stability reasons (One of the time-consuming mods on the CVL hulls had been rebuilding the hulls to include asymmetric fuel storage bulges to offset the relatively modest island weight, since they were after all cruiser hulls with considerably less stability in roll than the CVs).  This was only part of the reason the IJN chose minimal island structures themselves, one of the major reasons being air flow turbulence over the deck, which is much more critical on a smaller flight deck than on a moving continent like Saratoga, the postwar angled deck Essex rebuilds, the Midway class, or a modern supercarrier.  The large islands did prove to have one unforeseen advantage in that they provided an excellent location to site radar to clear the deck clutter and get a longer scan shot, but while the Japanese had radar, it was not as developed or prevalent as the USN's and due to their huge combat power inferiority it really wouldn't have helped them all that much after Midway, since knowing that hundreds of American strike planes are inbound and being able to do anything about it with 20 or 30 A6M5s are two entirely different propositions.
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I highly recommend to anyone that hasn't seen it to watch battle 360 the documentary about the enterprise
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I highly recommend to anyone that hasn't seen it to watch battle 360 the documentary about the enterprise

It's pretty good, I can't think of a film that really covers the Japanese problems and perspectives on the naval war, but there are a few biographical books by the survivors that are decent and available in English on the air, sub, and surface aspects (I expect mostly out of print, but that's a whole lot more accessible now than it used to be). 
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The previous, IJN, ship named Izumo was an 1890s Brit-built armored cruiser. Though obsolescent (like many other nation's armored cruisers), Izumo served in WW1. Izumo was a province in imperial Japan.

Izumo's classmate, Kaga, was also named for an imperial province, and there also was an earlier Kaga. The earlier Kaga was being built to be a battleship in the early 20s, when construction was stopped by the Washington Naval Treaty. Kaga was scheduled to be scrapped when the 1923 Tokyo earthquake damaged a battlecruiser-to-aircraft-carrier conversion Amagi beyond repair. So Kaga was converted into an aircraft carrier instead. Kaga was part of the attack on Pearl Harbor, and support the conquest of the Dutch East Indies. Under repair during the Battle of Coral Sea, Kaga was one of the 4 IJN carriers sunk at Midway.

In addition to F-35s, the modern Izumo and Kaga could, theoretically, support AV-8B Harriers (which the F-35 will replace) or V-22 Ospreys. Apparently, though, the flight deck materials are not of a type that could withstand the heat of an F-35 (or AV-8B, I assume) vertical landing. So Izumo and Kaga aren't really suitable for significant power projection.

I was not aware of that. :banghead:
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 The AV-8B  does not have the thermal problems that the V-22 in the F 35 have.
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NK: U.S. Bombers Pushing Peninsula to ‘Brink of Nuclear War’

May 02, 2017

Unsurprisingly, North Korea accused the U.S. of pushing the peninsula to the brink of nuclear war as U.S. bombers flew training drills, with South Korea and Japan air forces, preparing for war with Kim Jong-Un.

(SEOUL/BEIJING) Korea accused the United States on Tuesday of pushing the Korean peninsula to the brink of nuclear war after a pair of strategic U.S. bombers flew training drills with the South Korean and Japanese air forces in another show of strength.

The two supersonic B-1B Lancer bombers were deployed amid rising tensions over North Korea's pursuit of its nuclear and missile programs in defiance of U.N. sanctions and pressure from the United States.

The flight of the two bombers on Monday came as U.S. President Donald Trump said he would be "honored" to meet North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in the right circumstances, and as his CIA director landed in South Korea for talks.

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It's pretty good, I can't think of a film that really covers the Japanese problems and perspectives on the naval war, but there are a few biographical books by the survivors that are decent and available in English on the air, sub, and surface aspects (I expect mostly out of print, but that's a whole lot more accessible now than it used to be).

This article gives a high-level view of the Japanese side of the PTO from a war-making capability POV. The site has a lot of info on the IJN side of things.
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This article gives a high-level view of the Japanese side of the PTO from a war-making capability POV. The site has a lot of info on the IJN side of things.

There are some decent books on it, I just haven't ever seen a film that does it justice.  On the tactical level Japanese Destroyer Captain, Japanese I-Boat Captain, and Saburo Sakai's couple of popular books are excellent.  On the strategic level, Kogun goes far to explain where the heads of the Japanese high command - in which the Navy was the minor player - were and why they made the decisions they did, which seem so irrational in retrospect. 

However, you can get a very good idea of what was going on just by comparing the orders of battle for a Japanese division vs. a Marine or Army division, their tables of equipment, and level of logistic support such as the daily ammunition allowance for the artillery battalions.  The US divisions were equipped, supplied, and supported to fight a WW2 battle, while the Japanese were basically prepared to fight an army like the Red Army of the 1920s or the beleaguered fortress and colonial forces of a sorely-beset England at the farthest end of their own supply lines.

It is apparent after any in-depth reading about WW1 and WW2, and really our own Civil War, that our opposition in each of them really had no clear idea at all what they were buying into and ridiculously underestimated it and our resolve, relying on pre-war industrial stats without reference to the trend line if that, with no real concept at all of how fast and how big we could go with a continent for a safe base, a larger and relatively technically-skilled population, and the logistic capability inherent in being a continental power.   
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