Welcome to The Conservative Cave©!Join in the discussion! Click HERE to register.
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Star Member BainsBane (41,247 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028979805Why the sudden urge to move the party right?Why so anxious to throw the Democratic base under the bus to placate the precious white male Trump voters? Why are so many people running around insisting women need to stop being hysterical and become unified around an anti-choice agenda? That we need to acquiesce to power and privilege under the pretense of "unity" rather than fight for economic and social justice? Why ignore voter disenfranchisement and continually deny the role of racism in the election--when polling data shows conclusively that race was the most important motivator of Trump voters? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/17/racism-motivated-trump-voters-more-than-authoritarianism-or-income-inequality/?utm_term=.771243eec175 Why do we see so many efforts to elevate whiteness, maleness and privilege over equality and economic justice for all? Can't people see there is no economic justice without equal rights? What is complicated about that? There is no political expediency to promoting anti-choice candidates over those with solid Democratic, liberal voting records. There is no such thing as a progressive opponent of abortion rights, just as there is no such thing as a progressive segregationist. Americans, even large numbers of Republican voters, overwhelmingly support a woman's right to choose. No amount of slogans about corporate this and that can conceal the fact that working to normalize an agenda that relegates more than half the population to second-class citizenship is reactionary, right-wing, and immoral. No economic justice can be achieved by forcing women and children into greater poverty by abandoning a commitment to reproductive rights. Economic growth for the privileged at the expense of the many isn't justice. It's greater inequality. How can people who claim to be on the left not understand that? It's one thing to cast a vote in a red state because you have few options. It's another to elevate those conservatives above liberal Democrats. We have heard for months about how important it is to empathize with and listen to Trump voters, yet those same people refuse to listen to Democrats who raise concerns about equality and justice, or anything else. Why the determination to embrace white male conservatives and the contempt for the Democratic base? After years of complaints of how establishment Democrats are GOP lite, why do we see this effort to become like the GOP? To cater to white resentment, opposition to equal rights for women, and support for genocidal gun proliferation? Why do we see such disregard for voter disenfranchisement? Why is there so little concern for basic decency, for what it has meant to be a Democrat since the Dixiecrats left? Why the effort to abandon any concern about the rights of the majority in pursuit of the increased wealth of those who already earn substantially more than the rest of Americans? How can anyone claim promotion of bourgeois wealth while disregarding the poor and policies that create poverty is anything but immoral? Why turn the clock back? Why not work to unite around economic justice for all rather than the accumulation of capital for those who already have more? Why is it that the actual working class has been abandoned for conservative men whose incomes average 2-7x the median wage? I don't understand any of it. Does compassion and principle not matter at all anymore?
Star Member jberryhill (46,285 posts) 1. Are you feeling a sudden urge?I'm not feeling a sudden urge. If anyone is feeling sudden and frequent urges, I think there is a pill on TV that your doctor can prescribe. It's Jobubitol or some damn thing... Anyway, I think I saw something on DU about the Republicans trying their damndest to screw up this country. I sure hope someone does something about that.
Star Member Cha (197,072 posts) 12. Why is BS touting an "aggressively anti-choice" candidateover a Pro Choice candidate? It was Racism that motivated trump voters. Abortion is the most progressive economic issue. The Democrats unity tour fractured into disunity almost immediately after it began. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont refused to say whether Jon Ossoff, the Democratic candidate trying to win a typically Republican district in Georgia while being outspoken in support of abortion rights, counts as a progressive" Yeah, that's what we've been sayin' These men need to get woke.. QuoteInstead, these men contend, the party’s focus must be on economics. The glaring mistake they all make, however, is thinking that there is any way to disentangle reproductive rights from economic issues."Yet he would happily exclude from the progressive movement even those he formally supports, like Mr. Ossoff, who don’t seem to talk enough about income inequality to satisfy Mr. Sanders." Tough.. it doesn't "satisfy" BS. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/25/opinion/why-abortion-is-an-progressive-economic-issue.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region
Instead, these men contend, the party’s focus must be on economics. The glaring mistake they all make, however, is thinking that there is any way to disentangle reproductive rights from economic issues."Yet he would happily exclude from the progressive movement even those he formally supports, like Mr. Ossoff, who don’t seem to talk enough about income inequality to satisfy Mr. Sanders."
Star Member BainsBane (41,247 posts) 36. That is what happens when people refuse to stand up for the oppressed and instead justify relegating half the population to second class citizenship and increased poverty. We are being told the party should no longer stand up to injustice. That is what undermines the ability of the party to stand up for the oppressed.
Star Member BainsBane (41,247 posts) 17. There is no economic justice without equal rightsOf course it's possible to express ideas about economic justice without acquiescing to racism and sexism. That is the only way that it can honestly be done. Because without equal rights, the result is greater greater inequality, both legal and economic. That should not be difficult for anyone to understand.
Star Member DesertFlower (11,589 posts) 46. screw the white male trump voters. i said it before and i'll say it again. if you supported trump you're a racist.
Star Member ehrnst (6,307 posts) 117. When white straight men get scared of not being the defaultIt's bad news for the rest of us.
Star Member Hoyt (29,366 posts) 11. If we go after any Trump voters, I think women would be better for Democrats.I think there are a significant number of Trump voting women who can be reasoned in. GOPer men are more likely to be callous, hard core white wingers, gun fanciers, racist, ignorant, and maybe worse. Not to say some GOPer women aren't as well.
Star Member BainsBane (41,247 posts) 15. It's not based on political strategyIt's not based on data or information about the election. It is becoming increasingly clear that it is about restoring uncontested white male privilege. We have seen arguments turn around completely. People who insisted principle didn't permit them to vote for Clinton's quite progressive platform in November suddenly insist winning requires abandoning the rights and lives of the majority of Democrats. There is no evidence that that becoming a party that doesn't support women's rights will help Democrats get elected. The same people who insisted red state Democrats should be primaied are now insisting that core Democratic principles need to be abandoned to win, based on no evidence. It's becoming undeniable that the goal is now and has been elevating them at the expense of the many. The goal is in fact greater equality, not less.
Star Member BainsBane (41,247 posts) 27. It's very obvious what that was about now more than ever. It's the same thing that these calls for us to be quiet and unify around anti-choice candidates. It's hardly subtle.
Star Member hrmjustin (69,686 posts) 38. it has been hard to read DU recently and it is not because of the Bernie/Clinton race like some here claim. While it was a rough primary all it was politics and politics is not all peaches and cream. No what upsets me is the purists have decided that being purist is not good anymore. Well normally I would say good because in politics sometimes compromise to some extent is needed to get things done. But now our friends have decided that we need to put people on a pedestal who are not all that interested in defending reproductive rights. Now some might ask me as a gay man why do I care about reproductive rights, and I will say if you can compromise or throw out one civil right you can kiss the rest of them goodbye in short order. I am also the uncle of 4 nieces and two nephews, and I don't want my nieces to have go to a back alley to get an abortion. It pisses me off that women in this country have to drive hundreds of miles to a clinic to get this medical procedure done. I went with family and friends when they made this choice and it is hard on them, and having to now go even further than before to have this procedure done is unacceptable. Extolling candidates that put burdens on women like this is no virtue!!!
Star Member BainsBane (41,247 posts) 22. When was the last time you read a DNC platform?1) Tell me how the most recent platform is to the right of Bill Clinton? 2) and it that your excuse for enabling it to promote legal inequality? 3) or is your entire definition of what constitutes right or left defined entirely in terms of the relative wealth and privilege of white men?
Star Member BainsBane (41,247 posts) 31. I have yet to have one person who made that claim back it up with a single example.
The battle for the DNC is emblematic of what's going on across the Democratic Party, both in Congress and in the states. Moderates are purged, conservative Democrats are nonexistent, and the party's leaders seem intent on turning it into a party of hard socialism as quickly as possible.No, this is not your father's Democratic Party. Indeed, none of the Donkey Party's more famous standard-bearers of the recent past would be comfortable in the new Democratic Party. Not JFK. Not Jimmy Carter.Heck, even Bill Clinton, a moderate-progressive president who actually reached out to the opposing party to get things done, looks plainly uncomfortable among this generation of hyper-ideological party leaders.The fact is, the party has been largely taken over by government worker unions and left-wing billionaires and their PACs, including the omnipresent self-described socialist George Soros and climate change extremist Tom Steyer.
Get the picture? This is where the Democrats are going. It's important to note that Obama's progressive legacy is really one of political defeat for the Democrats.Don't believe it? Today, Republicans hold an estimated 4,170 state legislative seats nationwide, up 1,000 since the start of Obama's first term.At the same time, the GOP controls 33 governorships, up from 21 at the start of Obama's tenure in office. They now control both houses of Congress.As Glenn Greenwald of the Intercept recently observed, the Republicans are but one state legislature away from being able to change the Constitution.
YoungDemCA (5,281 posts) 40. This said with a straight face after decades of the Democratic Party moving to the Right.Nice.
PatsFan87 (227 posts) 41. In regards to Bill Clinton- NAFTA, bank deregulation, welfare reform,mass incarceration. Not exactly "leftist" positions.
Brogrizzly (39 posts) 53. You would think in the year of our lord 2017, that men would finally have the sense enough to stop the blatant misogyny, stop the legislating, and stop the patriarchy. But alas, even in "progressive" politics theirs no corner too small in which men must project their authority, self proclaimed over womens bodies. ****, sometimes I lose hope and I'm a fricken guy that just tries to be aware of society and how we treat women in said society. Well, guess it's back to suffragettes, and actual disruptive, anti liberal womenfolk, raising hell by actionable radicalism? Hell I don't know anymore. What's the comeback from this kind of crap? I worry for my daughter. But if this kind of stuff percolates in preogressive politics what the hell does it look like on the right wing side? Oh wait, I know, Trump. Sorry for the rant, had a pint.
vi5 (11,912 posts) 126. Sudden?It started with Bill Clinton and it's been going in that direction ever since. And now that the Clinton's have (for now) lost control of the party, the powers that be that have been fixated on maintaining that rightward, third way shift are starting to get scared and it shows. This VA will be a true tell. If there is a progressive on the ballot and it appears the party is pushing a more conservative option then it will be quite obvious what is going on.
Star Member DefenseLawyer (10,309 posts) 127. Trying to elect a Democrat in Nebraska is not "moving the party to the right"it's a mayor's race. In Nebraska. It seems to me you could do one of two things: 1. You could try to elect a less than perfect candidate in a red state and hope that he does a good job over all (what it means to do a good job as mayor of ****ing Omaha, I honestly couldn't tell you) but, lets say he does a good job and improves the party brand and gets more people to view democrats favorably. Then maybe more Democrats, ones that are even better, would have a better chance in more elections there and you gradually move the needle in ****ing Nebraska. OR 2. You could wait for the perfect candidate to come along and until then just leave everything to the Republicans unopposed. And as far as finding perfect candidates goes, how much money did the DNC or Hillary's super pac spend on recruiting candidates for Nebraska mayoral races anyway? Oh right. None. I am all for finding better candidates and I am all for serious primary challenges to blue dogs. That being said, once we have a candidate, the idea is to try to win an election and beat a Republican.
half the population to second class citizenship and increased poverty.
You're so right, Big'uns, you guys need to take a hard left turn, start talking about the need for a 'Dictatorship of the proletariat,' and ride that horse hell for leather.
Abortion is the most progressive economic issue.
This kind of says that the brown and black people are an economic drain. Margret Sanger is smiling.
Why so anxious to throw the Democratic base under the bus to placate the precious white male Trump voters?
There is no political expediency to promoting anti-choice candidates over those with solid Democratic, liberal voting records.
Ted Kennedy is the only person with an actual confirmed kill in the war on women.
Star Member George II (21,046 posts) 22. Someone the other day lectured that since the Democratic Party lost 1,000 seats in recent years......at all levels of government, the Party needs to move left. I asked where the bulk of the candidates who won were positioned vs. the Democratic candidates, to their left or to their right. The expected answer was to the Democrats' right. So, I followed with the question "well, if Democrats are losing to candidates that are to their right, how can moving even further to the left win more seats?" Sadly, I didn't get an answer.https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10028972403
La La La La La.....they sing!!! I ran across this bit of logic on another thread from a foreigner no less. This type of thinking will neither be encouraged or tolerated, DU will maintain a hard left course, 360 on station.
I wonder what kind of toppings Limeys like on their pizzas...
BB is a total waste of tits.
Is BB a resident of Canuckia?
