I feel a purge coming on...

[dutch508]

retrowire (9,709 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028982160

I figured out what's pissing me off about all this hate being thrown on the left.

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I seem to be taking it personally because I consider myself liberal and leftist.

But all these attacks on the left saying that it's imposing right wing policies and going after Obama and all that shit is confusing me.

Did I not get a memo?

But then I thought about it for a second. Wild idea, just stay with me for a second.

What if all of those leftists supporting Trump or Russia or attacking Obama or whatever...

What if they're imposters? What if they're trolls, meant to whip up a fervor against the actual leftists like myself?

I mean, being liberal isn't just a title. It's about your actions. That's what defines you. So if, for example a "leftist" is shouting for Trump to tear it down so we can start over, or if a leftist is saying, women's rights are unimportant, then maybe, JUST MAYBE... They aren't a leftist?

Regarding Bernie's recent actions, he's still leftist. He does care about women's rights. He might not just be wording it as eloquently as he could and MAYBE (because I'm not a genius) his philosophy of "economic reform first and everything else will fall in place perfectly" is right, maybe it's not. But that's for the political analysts and historians to talk about.

Point is or TL;DR, Stop attacking the left for bad leftists or imposters actions. Every movement has false entities that seek to make them look bad. I think that happened to BLM and I KNOW it's happened to we feminists.

If it doesn't quack like a leftist, it ain't a real leftist.

Thanks for reading.

LexVegas (3,140 posts)
1. Susan Sarandon is an imposter?

retrowire (9,709 posts)
4. That's basically what I'm saying yes.

Her actions are not beneficial for minorities or the many other things the left care about, am I right or wrong?

Star Member DownriverDem (356 posts)
15. Don't forget

Bernie is not a member of the Democratic Party. I'm confused as to what he wants to do.

Star Member Fresh_Start (8,515 posts)
6. he's not right and once you realize that you realize his plan is just another way

to suppress women,minorities, immigrants. etc.

"MAYBE his philosophy of "economic reform first and everything else will fall in place perfectly" is right, maybe it's not. " There are already socialists countries and in NONE of them are women treated equally. In all of them non-natives are not treated equally.

Its why I and many others call his priority crap for 60% of America.

Star Member frazzled (14,633 posts)
7. So how do you feel about (or explain) Jean-Luc Mlenchon?
Mr. Mélenchon, 65, a former Trotskyite, ran a campaign denouncing banks, globalization and the European Union — just like Ms. Le Pen. A grizzled orator with a penchant for Latin American dictators, he has the same forgiving attitude she does toward the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin.

Star Member mopinko (48,528 posts)
11. follow the money.

i suspect he is the jill stein of french politics.
the jill stein that got paid to have dinner w putin.

i would love to know where he gets his money.

Scoopster (43 posts)
19. I was attacked on Twitter today by fellow leftists.

I called out someone a couple days ago for using garbage clearing house websites, opinion pieces and unverified information (i.e. someone's personal blog or twitter) as if they were valid sources for their claims. This afternoon I received a barrage of non-stop vitriol claiming that I was mansplaining (the person I was originally speaking to is a woman, so they assumed wrongly & ridiculously that I'm a MRA) and/or was guilty of the thing I was trying to say (which was that just about every reputable debate prep source or textbook or professors & teachers who coach mock debates & teach law or journalism would verify that claim, and that wasn't good enough for Twitter chatter).

Trumpards doing this kinda shit? I expect it & can handle that just fine. When our own side does it tho, and without warrant or care for the facts, that stings. How the hell do we expect to bring back reality-based politics when even our own side pisses on reality-based critical thinking, facts and proper sourcing?

Star Member ancianita (6,154 posts)
22. This is confusion by design.We know the history.The alt right is trying to rewrite political history

Star Member SecularMotion (7,633 posts)
30. Why should we stop attacking bad leftists and impostors?

[jukin]

I seem to be taking it personally because I consider myself liberal and leftist.

Dear DUchebag, please Nadin the term "cognitive dissonance."

Just a snippet for you lazy bastards.

According to Festinger, we hold many cognitions about the world and ourselves; when they clash, a discrepancy is evoked, resulting in a state of tension known as cognitive dissonance. As the experience of dissonance is unpleasant, we are motivated to reduce or eliminate it, and achieve consonance (i.e. agreement).

You CANNOT be a leftist and a liberal. The two are diametrically opposite. That is why you have such feeling of anxiety and why 99% of Duchebags are being treated for mental issues.

[SVPete]

Much as I approve of Progressivier-Than-Thou circular firing squads, what in Hades are they talking about? Is retromingent calling for tolerance and unity? Or is (s)he calling for gnat-straining ideological purity?

[ADsOutburst]

So they want to attribute their divisions to people falsely posing as leftists?

I don't understand how they can't put two and two together. They say they want diverse perspectives, they got them. It's clear to anyone else that the factions that make up the left are not unified- not in any profound sense. They're only unified in combating the right.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Can I help you with that, DUmmies?  I'm sure I can round up a Tokarev around here somewhere...

 

[BlueStateSaint]

Can I help you with that, DUmmies?  I'm sure I can round up a Tokarev around here somewhere...

 

And if you're looking for reliability, I've got a few Glocks that I can contribute to the effort . . .

[jukin]

So they want to attribute their divisions to people falsely posing as leftists?

I don't understand how they can't put two and two together. They say they want diverse perspectives, they got them. It's clear to anyone else that the factions that make up the left are not unified- not in any profound sense. They're only unified in combating the right.

1. The left wants diversity but 100% lockstep group think.
2. The democrat party has many factions but non of them believe in that faction's public goals.
3. The democrat party has many different factions but with only one goal, totalitarian government control.

Given the above truths, the DUmmys have to think any dissension from the group think must be a troll. This is also the reason that leftists think we march in lockstep.

[DumbAss Tanker]

And if you're looking for reliability, I've got a few Glocks that I can contribute to the effort . . .

Hey, I don't wanna lose any authenticity points on the tools in the Red Terror re-enactment...

 

[I_B_Perky]

retrowire (9,709 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028982160

I figured out what's pissing me off about all this hate being thrown on the left.
I seem to be taking it personally because I consider myself liberal and leftist.
But all these attacks on the left saying that it's imposing right wing policies and going after Obama and all that shit is confusing me.
Did I not get a memo?
But then I thought about it for a second. Wild idea, just stay with me for a second.
What if all of those leftists supporting Trump or Russia or attacking Obama or whatever...
What if they're imposters? What if they're trolls, meant to whip up a fervor against the actual leftists like myself?

All your leftists are belong to us. 

Guess what dummie? Sane people that inhabit this corner of the internet can go over to the dump and pretend to be leftists. And do it well, I might add.  For a long time.  And you are too stupid to figure it out until now.   

You insane idiots cannot do the reverse.   

To sum it up:  We own your asses, we do it at your own little corner of the internet and there is not one damn thing you can do about it!!  I think I will use about four of my long term moles and attack your ass relentlessly.

Enjoy your new life at the Dump!   

[BlueStateSaint]

Hey, I don't wanna lose any authenticity points on the tools in the Red Terror re-enactment...

 

What?  You're making me go out and get a Makarov?

[DumbAss Tanker]

What?  You're making me go out and get a Makarov?

It's really a post-Stalin pistol, if you want to play Red Terror, you need a TT variant or a Nagant.

[BlueStateSaint]

It's really a post-Stalin pistol, if you want to play Red Terror, you need a TT variant or a Nagant.

Well, I'll take a Nagant, then . . .

[BadCat]

Well, I'll take a Nagant, then . . .

Hey, the 7.62x25 round the Tok shoots is pretty bad ass.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Hey, the 7.62x25 round the Tok shoots is pretty bad ass.

It sure is, and Privi-Partizan makes pretty cheap US commercial ammo (Boxer primed/brass case/noncorrosive) in the caliber, both FMJ and lead-nose.

 

[FiddyBeowulf]

It's really a post-Stalin pistol, if you want to play Red Terror, you need a TT variant or a Nagant.

You guys make this more difficult than it needs to be. Just use a plastic bag Killing Fields style.

[BlueStateSaint]

It sure is, and Privi-Partizan makes pretty cheap US commercial ammo (Boxer primed/brass case/noncorrosive) in the caliber, both FMJ and lead-nose.

 

Can I have both for this game?

[BadCat]

It sure is, and Privi-Partizan makes pretty cheap US commercial ammo (Boxer primed/brass case/noncorrosive) in the caliber, both FMJ and lead-nose.

 

PPU is also now making an 85 gr. JHP, coming out right at 1400 fps.
We have several Toks (Russian, Yugo and Czech).  We call them our "car pistols" because we often throw one in the glove box.
1. They're cheap and we won't cry (too much) if they get stolen.
2. That round won't even SEE a car door on its way through.

[landofconfusion80]

What're your thoughts on a FEG pistol? Uses 9x18 mac rounds

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[BadCat]

What're your thoughts on a FEG pistol? Uses 9x18 mac rounds

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If you're talking about the PA-63, it's a pretty good pistol, sorta a Mak, but not quite.
Not a huge fan of the 9x18, but it'll do in a pinch.

[landofconfusion80]

If you're talking about the PA-63, it's a pretty good pistol, very typical Mak.
Not a huge fan of the 9x18, but it'll do in a pinch.

Still trying to figure out the skip fire on mine. Weird stuff

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