Crazy ol' Shrillery can't face reality... neither can the DUmpmonkiez.

[dutch508]

Star Member yallerdawg (9,521 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028903063

Hillary Clinton Explains Why She Really Lost to Trump

And exactly what Hillary supporters thought!

She largely cited these factors for her defeat:

- Russia. "A foreign power meddled with our election," she said, labeling it "an act of aggression." She called for an independent, bipartisan investigation into the Kremlin's involvement and said the probe should examine whether there was collusion with the Trump campaign.

- Misogyny. "Certainly, misogyny played a role. That has to be admitted," she said. Clinton added that "some people — women included — had real problems" with the idea of a woman president.

- Comey. Clinton cited as damaging to her campaign his unusual decision to release of a letter on October 28, less than two weeks before Election Day, that said he was looking at additional emails related to the FBI probe of the former secretary of state's use of a private server.

- WikiLeaks. Weeks of disclosures of stolen emails from the personal account of then-Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, were particularly harmful, Clinton said, adding that it "played a much bigger role than I think many people yet understand."

 

SirBrockington (198 posts)
1. Her surrogates really let her down as well

There was no counterbalancing equavent to Kellyanne Conway on the her side to push talking points on every show. Billions of dollars of free air time. 30 second adds can't compete with that.

SirBrockington (198 posts)
7. She was up about 11-15 points 12 days before the election

Star Member Cha (195,993 posts)
24. Hillary was most Definitely the Strongest BEST Candidate.

synergie (1,793 posts)
43. You do realize that the crazies on the right created quite a few lies

about HRC? If you scratch a bit on google, you'll uncover the phenomenon of astroturfing, where right wing sites and fake news sites went crazy for years feeding lots of guano to those seeking some reason to excuse their hatred for her. It's kind of one of those things that anyone who bothered to actually do their homework saw pretty clearly.

Facts don't seem to be the goal for some people, just confirmation bias, and they're quite happy to repeat debunked, and pure BS that the right wing created about her, all of which has been proven to be total nonsense.

Please, seek out some facts, it should bother you that "not digging" has shown you some things that are very much not fact based at all. Enough ranting, do some homework, look beyond right wing sites and those sites that pretend to be "left" but which do nothing more than echo right wing talking points or amplify them. The sheer amount of fiction that was created about this woman is shocking, yet despite it all, the media bias, the fake news, the Russian interference, the feral right wingers, the misogyny, the racism, the ignorance AND the vote suppression, she still managed to win a historic number of votes.

Facts don't bother Democrats/Progressives/liberals, we're very comfortable with them. It's why the fake news purveyors were complaining about the left in general and HRC supporters in particular, we didn't fall for the BS. (Bernie supporters IRL didn't either, it's just these people who frequented the online echo chambers). That's how the RWers and Russians and other forces were so successful online, people didn't bother looking for facts, they just listened to whatever they could find in the most shallow and lazy ways possible, they left the propaganda right where anyone who didn't know any better could find it, and they knew that these people would not possess the ability, curiosity or knowledge to dig deeper and seek facts. They knew their audience, they just didn't expect to be quite so successful, they overestimated the basic education and discernment of their online dupes.

Star Member BainsBane (40,860 posts)
76. There is no way to know if she was the best

because we can't divine alternate reality. She did, however, win the primaries by 4 million more votes, and that made her THE candidate.
The rest is all supposition.

LittleBlue (10,038 posts)
11. Shouldn't have even been close

Trump is a semi-literate buffoon who bragged about grabbing women in the crotch. Joe the Plumber would have beaten him.

synergie (1,793 posts)
70. He appealed to the misogynists.

Also, she won millions more votes, despite the media bias, despite Comey, despite Wikileaks, despite Russia, despite the RW's talking points amplified by the supposed online "left", despite the lack of VRA protection, despite Crosscheck, despite voter suppression, despite failing to count ALL the votes, despite precincts favorable to her being "unable to be recounted".

Despite all that she did beat him. If only certain forces had not been leading earnest folks who didn't know any better to vote third party (not one they actually support) or write in invalid candidates, seems like in there were small, key groups that thought locker room talk was better than voting for the most qualified candidate who happened to be a woman, because they couldn't stand her "shrillness", reminded them of their mommy, and they heard some stuff about her online so it must be true.

Chevy (495 posts)
29. Voter purge, voter suppression never mentioned N/T

rock (11,908 posts)
58. The Electoral College was left off her list. The antiquated and ineffective EC (especially for a hyper-partisan party like the repukes) is obviously non-democratic. Have you ever tried explaining how it works to someone?

Star Member yallerdawg (9,521 posts)
60. Multiple intelligence agencies are reporting...

the Russians were "microtargeting" particular voters through social media channels, influencing their attitudes and behaviors.

Particularly in closely contested states, including the three which cost Hillary the election.

From Wiki:

Microtargeting is the use by political parties and election campaigns of direct marketing datamining techniques that involve predictive market segmentation (aka cluster analysis). It is used by United States Republican and Democratic political parties and candidates to track individual voters and identify potential supporters.

The question we now have is did the Republican campaign collude with the Russians to influence these voters?

[SVPete]

"Certainly, misogyny played a role. That has to be admitted," she said. Clinton added that "some people — women included — had real problems" with the idea of a woman president.

   Would those be the same "misogynists" who voted in 2008 for Sarah Palin to be one heartbeat from the Presidency?     Would those be the same "misogynists" who voted for Carly Fiorina to be the R nominee for President?  

 

Weeks of disclosures of stolen emails from the personal account of then-Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, were particularly harmful, Clinton said ...

Did ANY DU-member notice her choice of adjectives? That she said STOLEN?! Not FAKE?!!! IOW, the emails are genuine, and the corruption and collusion - with the DNC and with the MSM - they revealed was hideously real!

 

[AzJames73]

[AzJames73]

[Carl]

You are right DUmbasses,please don`t change a thing you have been doing.

[Linda]

    Star Member Cha (195,993 posts)
    24. Hillary was most Definitely the Strongest BEST Candidate.

If you were right...she would be President now...

She isn't, what she is

 most Definitely the Strongest BEST Candidate

to lose the election for President the 2nd time she tried.

So you guys are ranting and raving for a 2 time loser and that's the best you got!!!!!

[98ZJUSMC]

rock (11,908 posts)
58. The Electoral College was left off her list. The antiquated and ineffective EC (especially for a hyper-partisan party like the repukes) is obviously non-democratic. Have you ever tried explaining how it works to someone?

Having a pretty good idea how far off your "explanation" would be, I would say it ended like this:

[jukin]

You know what i just realized again?

Hillary will never be POTUS!!!!!

[Undies]

If "The Russians" are responsible for keeping that odorous rotting urine-smelling hag out of the White House, then I say we all get together and send them a basket of muffins.  It would be only a small gesture, because no gesture could adequately express the gratitude, perpetual thanks. and overwhelming relief of this entire nation. 

Russia!  You da Man!   

[DUmpDiver]

Hillary left the most important one off of the list:

She's a deceitful weathervaning grifter.

[Skul]

Hillary left the most important one off of the list:

She's a deceitful weathervaning grifter.

Why yes, yes she is. 

Her duplicity hasn't slowed one iota.

[FlaGator]

Actually Trump appealed to the people who thought that this country was going to hell in a hand basket and that anyone would be better than Hillary.