Guns made us lose Penn.

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Star Member discntnt_irny_srcsm (13,072 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172203087

In November my home state of PA went Red

Of the 4,217,456 registered Democrats, one third did not vote. Nationally, 35% of all Democrats own a gun. I'd guess that, in the 56 more rural PA counties that did not vote for HRC, ownership is probably higher. Those counties have a total of over 1.6 million registered Democrats.

Tell me how talk of gun restrictions don't lose us votes.

I don't think that was the only reason but, yeah... the government threat to take away your rights gets people to vote for another candidate.

Warpy (92,783 posts)
2. Your guns aren't that powerful.

They won't turn you into a mighty army against tyranny and they didn't change the outcome of the last election.

It was corrupt media, Russian interfence, Comey's treason, gerrymandering, and plain old sexism.

Sorry for the cold water of reality, but there it is.

I am sure the British thought the same thing.

Star Member radical noodle (2,834 posts)
14. We've talked about a lot of possibilities..

Really good background checks for everyone. Limiting ammunition (like no drums, for instance). He would even go for treating the military style rifles the way machine guns are regulated. Longer waiting periods in many cases. He thinks it's ignorant to open carry so I'm sure would agree with taking away open carry. He also doesn't like the Stand Your Ground law the way it's currently written.

We have to start somewhere. We talked about this at length after Sandy Hook. There are things that can be done that won't hurt responsible gun owners but could cut down on the misuse of firearms. Nothing will completely eliminate gun deaths, but we can surely cut down on many of them.

yeah--- he really doesn't sound like a pro-gun type of guy.

Star Member discntnt_irny_srcsm (13,072 posts)
19. "GOTV effort"

Why do you suppose loyal Democrats in rural PA (and probably other states) weren't motivated to encourage others to vote?

And to vote for HRC...

Star Member Lithos (24,274 posts)
23. She lost PA not from the Rural Dems

The big flips were in Lackawanna County, Philadelphia and Erie. Urban counties where "gun" politics are minimal.

She also lost because many people voted third party (200k vs 70k in 2012). These flips were primarily due to Hillary ceding the vision to Trump. One other thing which occurred was that her GOTV effort was misdirected and ended up targeting large amounts of Trump voters.

Guns only energized Trump voters, it is really a non-issue for most Dems.

Hillary said just yesterday it was because white males were racist and sexist and that's why she lost. And Russia.

 

appleannie1943 (311 posts)
28. I am a poll worker in one of those rural counties. Guns had nothing to do with what happened.

People that had never voted in their lives registered and showed up this year. One such 60 something woman proudly said it was the first time she had ever voted because it was the first time we ever had someone she could like running for president. Registered voters made sure their 18 year old kids got registered and they dragged them to the polls. The only people that did not show up were the democrats. It was disgusting and very hard to sit there and keep my mouth shut.

 

Star Member ileus (15,035 posts)
44. It's lost the whole South...it's time we faced the music, people like keeping

their rights.


It's time we become the progressive 2A party. Freedom is a good thing...

 

[SVPete]

Warpy (92,783 posts)
2. Your guns aren't that powerful.

They won't turn you into a mighty army against tyranny and they didn't change the outcome of the last election.

It was corrupt media, Russian interfence, Comey's treason, gerrymandering, and plain old sexism.

Sorry for the cold water of reality, but there it is.

  I understand the bogeyman value of treason and gerrymandering. However, Part 1: The US is not at war with anyone, making accusations of treason sillily false. However, Part 2: Gerrymandering is irrelevant in US Presidential and US Senate elections.

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Oh, and by the way, if any DU-onlurker sees this post, please inform Warpers about the line in my signature addressed to her. It was written weeks ago, but it's still true.

[Mr Mannn]

Hillary's priority for confiscating guns was necessary - the people would rise up and resist her if she did not take guns. 0bama laid the foundation, Hillary would have become a dictator. Can't be a queen if the people can say, "NO!"

[DumbAss Tanker]

Star Member radical noodle (2,834 posts)
14. We've talked about a lot of possibilities..

Really good background checks for everyone. Limiting ammunition (like no drums, for instance). He would even go for treating the military style rifles the way machine guns are regulated. Longer waiting periods in many cases. He thinks it's ignorant to open carry so I'm sure would agree with taking away open carry. He also doesn't like the Stand Your Ground law the way it's currently written.

We have to start somewhere. We talked about this at length after Sandy Hook. There are things that can be done that won't hurt responsible gun owners but could cut down on the misuse of firearms. Nothing will completely eliminate gun deaths, but we can surely cut down on many of them.

Yeah, 'Responsible gun owners' won't have a problem with any of that.  Sure.

That kind of BS Control-the-language-to-change-reality thinking has everything to do with why people that actually own guns aren't buying the crap you're selling.

[SVPete]

Yeah, 'Responsible gun owners' won't have a problem with any of that.  Sure.

That kind of BS Control-the-language-to-change-reality thinking has everything to do with why people that actually own guns aren't buying the crap you're selling.

Slippery language - like "military style rifles" - is just a slippery slide that leads to banning any and every gun.

[FaC]

Slippery language - like "military style rifles" - is just a slippery slide that leads to banning any and every gun.

I suspect that you end up at "gun style gun" at the bottom of the slope...


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[freedumb2003b]

I suspect that you end up at "gun style gun" at the bottom of the slope...


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Or fingers or bread chewed in the shape of an "L" style guns.