DUmpmonkiez shocked Rs will use Ds trick and nuke the site from orbit.

[dutch508]

Star Member DonViejo (25,555 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141739648

Sen. Coons: GOP Will 'Almost Certainly' Go Nuclear If Dems Filibuster Gorsuch

Source: Talking Points Memo

 

Star Member kimbutgar (4,958 posts)
1. If they do that the senate will effectively become a war zone of epic proportions

AND---- you guys started it.

Star Member Demsrule86 (9,823 posts)
13. The filibuster serves no useful purpose...anyway.

It is not in the constitution...the fact the Senate has six year terms is supposed to make them more thoughtful...we don't need a filibuster. And then every Senator is responsible for his and her vote...no voting for a filibuster and then voting for the nominee,bill...or vice versa.

Star Member SharonAnn (10,741 posts)
18. They're going to go nuclear anyway, the first chance they have. I hate it, but it's true.

If we approve Gorsuch, then the next Supreme Court nominee will be worse and the GOP will go nuclear then.

So the choice is whether to make a statement now or later.

 

Star Member exboyfil (7,271 posts)
2. I'm okay with a filibuster

so long as it is a real filibuster. Not procedural or reading the phone book from the well. Use the time to go through Gorsuch's inadequacies and the unprecedented treatment of Garland.

Use the time. Maybe someone will be watching.

tazkcmo (4,455 posts)
3. GOPee-ers will do what GOPee-ers do

Regardless of what Democrats do.

Example 1: Gorsuch goes down in defeat w/o a filibuster and garners less than 60 votes. GOPee changes rules so they can confirm him with 51.

Example 2: Gorsuch goes down in defeat due to Democratic filibuster. GOPee changes rules so they can confirm him with 51.

 

Star Member yallerdawg (9,387 posts)
5. Good. Finish it.

Our biggest problem as Democrats in power has been the super-majority hurdle. We always look like we fail when we can't get 60 votes, and the Republicans never gave us 60 votes as a matter of their policy.

Let them burn it down.

We'll be back, we'll be more successful with policies that improve the lives of ALL Americans, and the Republicans will be exposed as the self-serving tools for the rich they have always been.

 

Star Member Desert grandma (27 posts)
8. Let them...

We will get the Senate back eventually and when we do, we will be glad that it will only take a simple majority to confirm our nominees. If we don't filibuster now, I believe we will only postpone the inevitable. GOP will threaten to use the nuclear option against ANY person that Trump nominates and the Dems don't like. I do not see a downside to filibustering this nominee. We must hope that our other judges will not retire before we take back Congress. The approval rating for Trump is low and continues to drop. That bodes well for 2018.

 

mwooldri (7,262 posts)
15. Then when 2018 or 2020 comes and there's a D majority...

... in the Senate and House.... we can then effectively clean up the elephant dung that's been dropped. Without obstruction.

If Trump is still in the WH in 2019 and there's D's in charge in both houses, I just hope he becomes a useful idiot and signs legislation that makes him look good to the American people (massaging his ego) yet making him unelectable as a Republican. He could theoretically become a great Democratic President without being an actual Democrat. Theoretically of course... just can't trust Trump and he should be dumped.

Star Member yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)
22. We can say that since we lifted the filibuster rules on almost everything

Yup. You sure did.

Star Member Kingofalldems (23,958 posts)
46. So you support the republicans, yeoman6987.

oops. the DU NKVD are out tonight.

Star Member Kingofalldems (23,958 posts)
36. Right wing talking points, yeoman6987.

Tiresome.

Star Member Turbineguy (22,757 posts)
31. The GOP going nulcear could result

in the impeachment of a Supreme Court Judge. A lengthy and expensive process.

Taking al Qaeda people prisoner turned out to be an astonishingly expensive proposition which in turn served Al Qaeda's larger purpose.

Those Who Stand and Cost, also Serve. To paraphrase John Milton.

yeah---- that won't happen either.

underthematrix (3,481 posts)
51. If the GOP wants to go nuclear

let them do it. They really haven't thought it thru. If he ends on the SCOTUS the GOP may get the surprise of their lives. So yeah, let them go nuclear.

 

BuddyCa (84 posts)
56. they already stole a Supreme Court seat

that's pretty nuclear.

 

[freedumb2003b]

mwooldri (7,262 posts)
15. Then when 2018 or 2020 comes and there's a D majority...

I wonder what color the sky is in mwood's world.  In 2018 the vulnerable seats are all (D).  As for the House, people don't link POTUS to Congress anymore.  Just as obozo didn't help the (d)s, Trump can't hurt the (R) although frankly, when his numbers climb us as they inevitably will, he CAN help.

The new calculus.
 

[FiddyBeowulf]

Star Member Desert grandma (27 posts)
8. Let them...

We will get the Senate back eventually and when we do, we will be glad that it will only take a simple majority to confirm our nominees. If we don't filibuster now, I believe we will only postpone the inevitable. GOP will threaten to use the nuclear option against ANY person that Trump nominates and the Dems don't like. I do not see a downside to filibustering this nominee. We must hope that our other judges will not retire before we take back Congress. The approval rating for Trump is low and continues to drop. That bodes well for 2018.

Yeah, poll numbers.   

According to them Hillary should be president instead of lost in the woods.

[SVPete]

BuddyCa (84 posts)
56. they already stole a Supreme Court seat

that's pretty nuclear.

Not voting on what-his-name was the Senate advising Obama that the guy was not acceptable. Constitutional duty fulfilled.

[DLR Pyro]

tazkcmo (4,455 posts)
3. GOPee-ers will do what GOPee-ers do

Regardless of what Democrats do.

Example 1: Gorsuch goes down in defeat w/o a filibuster and garners less than 60 votes. GOPee changes rules so they can confirm him with 51.

Example 2: Gorsuch goes down in defeat due to Democratic filibuster. GOPee changes rules so they can confirm him with 51.

That's what we deplorables would call a win-win scenario.   

[SVPete]

tazkcmo (4,455 posts)
3. GOPee-ers will do what GOPee-ers do

Regardless of what Democrats do.

Example 1: Gorsuch goes down in defeat w/o a filibuster and garners less than 60 votes. ...

Ummmmm ....... regardless of what preceded the vote, if Gorsuch's confirmation vote is 51 Yeas, XX Nays, he's a Supreme Court Justice. 60 votes are not necessary for confirmation.

[BlueStateSaint]

Ummmmm ....... regardless of what preceded the vote, if Gorsuch's confirmation vote is 51 Yeas, XX Nays, he's a Supreme Court Justice. 60 votes are not necessary for confirmation.

And, more importantly, Ruth Buzzi Bader Ginsberg is 84, and Stephen Breyer is 78.  Yes, Anthony Kennedy is 80, but he probably wouldn't change the ideological makeup of the court that much.

[67 Rover]

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Star Member DonViejo (25,555 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141739648

Sen. Coons: GOP Will 'Almost Certainly' Go Nuclear If Dems Filibuster Gorsuch

Source: Talking Points Memo

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Star Member kimbutgar (4,958 posts)
1. If they do that the senate will effectively become a war zone of epic proportions



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Star Member Demsrule86 (9,823 posts)
13. The filibuster serves no useful purpose...anyway.

It is not in the constitution...the fact the Senate has six year terms is supposed to make them more thoughtful...we don't need a filibuster. And then every Senator is responsible for his and her vote...no voting for a filibuster and then voting for the nominee,bill...or vice versa.





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Star Member SharonAnn (10,741 posts)
18. They're going to go nuclear anyway, the first chance they have. I hate it, but it's true.

If we approve Gorsuch, then the next Supreme Court nominee will be worse and the GOP will go nuclear then.

So the choice is whether to make a statement now or later.


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Star Member exboyfil (7,271 posts)
2. I'm okay with a filibuster

so long as it is a real filibuster. Not procedural or reading the phone book from the well. Use the time to go through Gorsuch's inadequacies and the unprecedented treatment of Garland.

Use the time. Maybe someone will be watching.





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tazkcmo (4,455 posts)
3. GOPee-ers will do what GOPee-ers do

Regardless of what Democrats do.

Example 1: Gorsuch goes down in defeat w/o a filibuster and garners less than 60 votes. GOPee changes rules so they can confirm him with 51.

Example 2: Gorsuch goes down in defeat due to Democratic filibuster. GOPee changes rules so they can confirm him with 51.


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Star Member yallerdawg (9,387 posts)
5. Good. Finish it.

Our biggest problem as Democrats in power has been the super-majority hurdle. We always look like we fail when we can't get 60 votes, and the Republicans never gave us 60 votes as a matter of their policy.

Let them burn it down.

We'll be back, we'll be more successful with policies that improve the lives of ALL Americans, and the Republicans will be exposed as the self-serving tools for the rich they have always been.


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Star Member Desert grandma (27 posts)
8. Let them...

We will get the Senate back eventually and when we do, we will be glad that it will only take a simple majority to confirm our nominees. If we don't filibuster now, I believe we will only postpone the inevitable. GOP will threaten to use the nuclear option against ANY person that Trump nominates and the Dems don't like. I do not see a downside to filibustering this nominee. We must hope that our other judges will not retire before we take back Congress. The approval rating for Trump is low and continues to drop. That bodes well for 2018.


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mwooldri (7,262 posts)
15. Then when 2018 or 2020 comes and there's a D majority...

... in the Senate and House.... we can then effectively clean up the elephant dung that's been dropped. Without obstruction.

If Trump is still in the WH in 2019 and there's D's in charge in both houses, I just hope he becomes a useful idiot and signs legislation that makes him look good to the American people (massaging his ego) yet making him unelectable as a Republican. He could theoretically become a great Democratic President without being an actual Democrat. Theoretically of course... just can't trust Trump and he should be dumped.





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Star Member yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)
22. We can say that since we lifted the filibuster rules on almost everything

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Star Member Kingofalldems (23,958 posts)
46. So you support the republicans, yeoman6987.

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Star Member Kingofalldems (23,958 posts)
36. Right wing talking points, yeoman6987.

Tiresome.





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Star Member Turbineguy (22,757 posts)
31. The GOP going nulcear could result

in the impeachment of a Supreme Court Judge. A lengthy and expensive process.

Taking al Qaeda people prisoner turned out to be an astonishingly expensive proposition which in turn served Al Qaeda's larger purpose.

Those Who Stand and Cost, also Serve. To paraphrase John Milton.



yeah---- that won't happen either.



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underthematrix (3,481 posts)
51. If the GOP wants to go nuclear

let them do it. They really haven't thought it thru. If he ends on the SCOTUS the GOP may get the surprise of their lives. So yeah, let them go nuclear.

Acceptance?

[SVPete]

Star Member Turbineguy (22,757 posts)
31. The GOP going nulcear could result

in the impeachment of a Supreme Court Judge. A lengthy and expensive process. ...

Any clue what this character is talking about? Is he assuming Gorsuch is a closet Ambisexual-Walnut-Raper or something? Or does he merely think, "I don't like him," is grounds for impeachment?

[BlueStateSaint]

Any clue what this character is talking about? Is he assuming Gorsuch is a closet Ambisexual-Walnut-Raper or something? Or does he merely think, "I don't like him," is grounds for impeachment?

It's the latter.

[67 Rover]

Any clue what this character is talking about? Is he assuming Gorsuch is a closet Ambisexual-Walnut-Raper or something? Or does he merely think, "I don't like him," is grounds for impeachment?

Pissed off about Harambe or something.

[J P Sousa]

Star Member Demsrule86 (9,823 posts)
13. The filibuster serves no useful purpose...anyway.

It is not in the constitution...the fact the Senate has six year terms is supposed to make them more thoughtful...we don't need a filibuster. And then every Senator is responsible for his and her vote...no voting for a filibuster and then voting for the nominee,bill...or vice versa.   

The Seventeenth Amendment needs to be repealed so the senate can be more in line with America.

[I_B_Perky]

Look dummies... this is all theater on the dem side.  At the end of the day, the man will be confirmed.  This theater is nothing more than the dems trying to placate idiots such as yourselves.  The real battle will be when one of the libs on the court croaks.

I'll give the senate dems credit... they play the game well.  They will hold their noses, confirm him and hope the MSM brings the President to his knees by 2018.

And you dummies will go off the deep end as usual.

[jukin]

If the donks went crazy mad when the republicans used the "Biden Rule" of not SCOTUS nominees confirmed in a presidential election year; they will go absolutely batshit crazy when the republicans use the "Reid Rule" to put the SCOTUS on a long term conservative arc.

All of the things the republicans are doing were pioneered by the fascist demoncrats when they had power.

[FaC]

If the donks went crazy mad when the republicans used the "Biden Rule" of not SCOTUS nominees confirmed in a presidential election year; they will go absolutely batshit crazy when the republicans use the "Reid Rule" to put the SCOTUS on a long term conservative arc.

All of the things the republicans are doing were pioneered by the fascist demoncrats when they had power.

I think that good o'le Harry better watch his back if the DUmmies ever actually realize the corner that good o'le Harry painted them into...


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[Adam Wood]

The Seventeenth Amendment needs to be repealed so the senate can be more in line with America.

Amen.  Times ten billion.