Trump STUPIDLY declassifies FISA warrants against him in a tweet!!!

[dutch508]

You have to be a DUmpmonkie to follow the logic here...

Foamfollower (21 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028744882

Trump STUPIDLY declassifies FISA warrants against him in a tweet!!!

The FISA Warrants against the Trump campaign have been known about and reported on for weeks via a leak. The leaker could be prosecuted if caught because FISA warrants are classified and are state secrets.

However, a president may declassify anything.

By making these wiretaps public via a tweet, Trump has declassified them, so the original leaker can no longer be prosecuted AND details of the FISA warrant can now be obtained by news organizations via a FOIA request!

The man is a complete IDIOT and is only making things easier for people to get to the bottom of it! To compare this to Watergate, this would be the equivalent of Nixon giving the tapes to Woodward and Bernstein!

... so illegal leaks about the wiretap are now legal because Trump mentioned them? ANMD you want to get Trump to get into trouble for leaking them? 

Star Member rzemanfl (14,758 posts)
1. I think the way this works is the authorities can listen to the U.S. end of a conversation.

It doesn't mean Trump's phones were bugged.

Oh- no, you don't get it at all.

Saboburns (932 posts)
4. No, no you're still not getting it.

He just told people that there has been a wiretap on his phone. On him. There must be probable cause to get a tap. A judge gave access to a tap because there's evidence of a crime, or collusion with a foreign government.

In other words. THE FBI ALREADY HAS EVIDENCE OF A CRIME, OR COLLUSION WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. Or there wouldn't be a wiretap.

He told on himself. Unwittingly.

No- you don't get it either. Trump says there wasn't any information of crimes uncovered. Pretty sure that's true or Barry's goons would have already released them. The big story is Barry's goons spying on other americans.

roamer65 (11,118 posts)
12. Yes. You are correct.

He's getting close to impeachment and removal.

Pence had better NOT pardon him.

 

Star Member DURHAM D (24,753 posts)
5. According to reports on MSNBC this am the phones are NOT tapped. Only one computer that communicates with Russian banks was under scrutiny.

now just a second...

Saboburns (932 posts)
6. Er,um MSNBC wouldn't know if Trump was wiretapped.

Nobody would know. Only the FBI. And they would not tell anybody.

exactly.

except they would leak the info to damage Trump and the administration...

Saboburns (932 posts)
2. That's what I been posting all morning.

He just told on himself and HE'S NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT HE JUST TOLD ON HIMSELF. Which is the funniest damn part of it all.

Not only that, but he showed that he doesn't understand that Presidents dont/can't wiretap people.

There's a whoooole Lotta gold in this morning's tweet storm.

I'm calling it an Historic Day.

So--- it;s either fake news and not true or it is true and barry had the state wiretapping a candidate from president on the other side...

Star Member cstanleytech (13,418 posts)
13. Actually the original leaker can still be prosecuted as just because something is now declassified

doesn't mean it washes away leaking classified information in the past.

Star Member dixiegrrrrl (48,961 posts)
33. Actually it is not declassified.

There is a specific process the Pres. or who ever has to go thru to declassify any information, and it involves a bunch of people getting involved, signing off, etc.
what he did was reveal still classified info.

 

Star Member Kablooie (12,336 posts)
32. If it's real. There may not have been any wiretapped phones.

It might all be just Trump insane fantasies.

sure...

[BlueStateSaint]

I don't know how true this little nugget of information is, but I have heard that the wiretap was still maintained after the tap had proved fruitless.  Which would mean right up until noon on January 20th, 2017.  Obama also allowed the NSA intercepts to be shared with the other 16 intelligence agencies that the US has, which virtually guaranteed that the info would leak.

[Delmar]

Response to Foamfollower (Original post)Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:45 PM
Star Member cstanleytech (13,420 posts)
13. Actually the original leaker can still be prosecuted as just because something is now declassified

doesn't mean it washes away leaking classified information in the past.

Response to cstanleytech (Reply #13)Sat Mar 4, 2017, 06:31 PM
Star Member dixiegrrrrl (48,962 posts)
33. Actually it is not declassified.

There is a specific process the Pres. or who ever has to go thru to declassify any information, and it involves a bunch of people getting involved, signing off, etc.
what he did was reveal still classified info.

People who start sentences with the word actually annoy me.  It's some kind of verbal tic, trying to sound smart.  Annoying, pretentious primitives hate rich people but talk like Thurston Howell III.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Nice try, foam-for-brains, but that ain't how that shit works.  At all.

[franksolich]

Nice try, foam-for-brains, but that ain't how that shit works.  At all.

You know, as much as we amateurs here are driven nuts by the utter ignorance of the primitives, it must drive you even more nuts.

[DumbAss Tanker]

You know, as much as we amateurs here are driven nuts by the utter ignorance of the primitives, it must drive you even more nuts.

Words can't describe.  I'm sure Dutch, BSS, and a few others with some 'Inside baseball' experiences have to bite their tongues and sit on their hands just as much, of course.

[98ZJUSMC]

I'm calling it an Historic Day.

I hope your disappointment doesn't drive you to self-termination.

Fine, OK, I'm lying .......I really do. 

I want you all to die.

Horribly, painfully, senselessly and for absolutely the most worthless reasons imaginable.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I hope your disappointment doesn't drive you to self-termination.

Fine, OK, I'm lying .......I really do. 

I want you all to die.

Horribly, painfully, senselessly and for absolutely the most worthless reasons imaginable.

 

H5!

Yeah, I'm not one of those 'Every man's death diminishes me' guys, in case anyone had any lingering doubts.

[ChuckJ]

Saboburns (932 posts)
2. That's what I been posting all morning.

He just told on himself and HE'S NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT HE JUST TOLD ON HIMSELF. Which is the funniest damn part of it all.

Not only that, but he showed that he doesn't understand that Presidents dont/can't wiretap people.

There's a whoooole Lotta gold in this morning's tweet storm.

I'm calling it an Historic Day.

He's not smart enough? Since he is president and y'all did NOT want him to be president that means he is apparently smarter than you so...tell us how "dumb" he is and that will give us even more of an idea about how dumb you are.

[SVPete]

Saboburns (932 posts)
4. No, no you're still not getting it.

He just told people that there has been a wiretap on his phone. On him. There must be probable cause to get a tap. A judge gave access to a tap because there's evidence of a crime, or collusion with a foreign government.

In other words. THE FBI ALREADY HAS EVIDENCE OF A CRIME, OR COLLUSION WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. Or there wouldn't be a wiretap.

He told on himself. Unwittingly.

Obama got the permission through FISA Court, which, apparently does not require probable cause, i.e. no evidence. So "Saboburns" had premature ejaculation in his wet dream.

[Adam Wood]

Obama got the permission through FISA Court, which, apparently does not require probable cause, i.e. no evidence. So "Saboburns" had premature ejaculation in his wet dream.

That's gotta suck.  The phrase "you could screw up a wet dream" actually comes to fruition.

[BlueStateSaint]

Obama got the permission through FISA Court, which, apparently does not require probable cause, i.e. no evidence. So "Saboburns" had premature ejaculation in his wet dream.

Actually, the FISA courts do require 'probable cause,' which is why it got shot down in March of 2016.  However, to put it in in October 2016, it's fairly likely that they invoked something called 'Title 10,' which significantly loosens the regs for 'probable cause.'  Yes, I heard that on FNC yesterday.  (I think that Title 10 is some sort of military stipulation.)

[Carl]

The DUmbfuks seem to be having an Oh Shit moment.

Once more President Trump has played them like a Stradivarius.

[98ZJUSMC]

Yeah, I'm not one of those 'Every man's death diminishes me' guys, in case anyone had any lingering doubts.

   Nope.

[jukin]

He's not smart enough? Since he is president and y'all did NOT want him to be president that means he is apparently smarter than you so...tell us how "dumb" he is and that will give us even more of an idea about how dumb you are.

Well the DUmmys have a different version of "smart."  Their version is you are "smart" if you are dead broke, rely on government assistance, have no friends in real life, get together with other life losers on a message board, and have alienated all of their family. Ours and Trump's version of "smart" is being successful, not requiring government assistance, having many friends in real life, and having loving families.

1-1=POTATO

[franksolich]

Well the DUmmys have a different version of "smart."  Their version is you are "smart" if you are dead broke, rely on government assistance, have no friends in real life, get together with other life losers on a message board, and have alienated all of their family.

I'll be damned if you ain't right, sir.  Excellent.

[J P Sousa]

Actually, the FISA courts do require 'probable cause,' which is why it got shot down in March of 2016.  However, to put it in in October 2016, it's fairly likely that they invoked something called 'Title 10,' which significantly loosens the regs for 'probable cause.'  Yes, I heard that on FNC yesterday.  (I think that Title 10 is some sort of military stipulation.)

My head hurts when ever I try to read lawyer talk, however, I question maybe the law was broken when Gen. Flynn was recorded.

§1802. Electronic surveillance authorization without court order; certification by Attorney General; reports to Congressional committees; transmittal under seal; duties and compensation of communication common carrier; applications; jurisdiction of court
(a)(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that-

(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at-

(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or

(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title;



(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and

(C) the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801(h) of this title; and


http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title50-section1802&num=0&edition=prelim
   

(more at link.)

[FunkyZero]

You have to be a DUmpmonkie to follow the logic here...

have ya ever sat around and wondered what it's like through the eyes of someone this detached?
I mean, if you could plug in for 5 minutes and just look at the swirling mass of confusion they must experience even executing the simplest thought.
I mean, this shit sounds like stuff I heard people come up with on the threshold of a drunken blackout at frat party's

[diesel driver]

have ya ever sat around and wondered what it's like through the eyes of someone this detached?
I mean, if you could plug in for 5 minutes and just look at the swirling mass of confusion they must experience even executing the simplest thought.
I mean, this shit sounds like stuff I heard people come up with on the threshold of a drunken blackout at frat party's

I got a headache from just reading this.   
No doubt the DUmmies' heads stay in a perpetual state of PAIN, and that makes me 

[BlueStateSaint]

My head hurts when ever I try to read lawyer talk, however, I question maybe the law was broken when Gen. Flynn was recorded.
(more at link.)

It probably was.  The dissemination of the information was definitely not done to agencies with a 'need to know.'

[FiddyBeowulf]

I don't know how true this little nugget of information is, but I have heard that the wiretap was still maintained after the tap had proved fruitless.  Which would mean right up until noon on January 20th, 2017.  Obama also allowed the NSA intercepts to be shared with the other 16 intelligence agencies that the US has, which virtually guaranteed that the info would leak.

To add to that, by sharing the intercepts with the other agencies it made it even harder to find the source of the leaks. Which, of course, was the purpose of the sharing in the first place.