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preserving the revolution
« on: January 27, 2017, 09:53:35 PM »
Ever since November 8, I’ve been watching movies depicting the French Revolution of 1789, and I’ve continued to be impressed by the similarities of that event, which upended the old order, and the election of Donald Trump this past year, which upended another old order.

The primitives, especially the trained historians among them, like to compare themselves with the workers and peasants and decent and civilized people as the aristocrats, of the first revolution, but as usual the primitives misunderstand history.

The French Revolution was only superficially between the workers and peasants, and the aristocracy; it was really between the working productive taxpaying elements of that society, and the loafers and freeloaders.  Anyone who’s read a history book more than a hundred pages long can figure that out.

It’s obvious that the election of Donald Trump, if it didn’t totally smash (the jury’ll still be out on that for some years yet) the Man, the Old Order, the Establishment, it did significant damage to those sectors that dominated American government, society, academia, and culture since the last revolution that ushered in the Age of Aquarius back in 1974, when the hippies took over from the Watergated old white men.

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Everything on the hippie agenda was at least socially respectable, if not totally legal, by 1980.  It’s true we’ve had three Republican presidents inbetweentimes, but their effect was no more than that when a corrupt Democrat party machine allows for the occasional election of a “reform” mayor or governor, so as to give an appearance that things are changing when they really aren’t.

The Democrats, liberals, primitives, and old hippies controlled it all; government elected and bureaucratic, academia, the intelligentsia, the news media, Hollywood, popular culture.  For more than forty years, from 1974 through 2016, they had it all.  And it seemed as if they’d have it forever and ever.

And given their sore-loserhood about the recent elections, apparently they thought so too.

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The first phase of this new revolution is over, with an adult now in the White House, but it’s one thing to have a revolution, and another to maintain it, to keep it going until it’s done its job.  One can’t just clock out and go home for supper.  Decent and civilized people won, but their victory isn’t permanently secured just yet.

The latest movie about the French Revolution that I’ve watched—two times now; I discovered it only yesterday afternoon—serves as a reminder of what we must do, to keep the revolution on track and to make it permanent.

https://youtu.be/u-b7Rtu-nuk

I tell you, nobody but nobody can make movies about the French revolution so impressively as do the French.  The only thing that limits their popularity is that they’re generally in…..French (and not playable on American DVD players).  But other than this, the actors and actresses, the scenery, the depictions, the ways events are shown, is awesome. 

As the movies are usually more than two hours long, my jaw gets tired from gaping in utter astonishment at how good they are.  I’m to where I’d rather watch a French-made movie about the French Revolution than eat or sleep or hop around in the sack.

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The main “lesson” in Danton we all need to keep in mind is that having secured something, one can get negligent about keeping it and expanding it.  It’s something a lot easier on which one can lose one’s grip than hang onto it.

By 1792, three years after the revolution, the revolutionaries, including Danton, were getting lazy and letting things go.  There were a few far-sighted others, including Robespierre and St.-Just, who wished to keep things going, and they were finally compelled to institute the Reign of Terror so as to keep the reactionaries at bay.

It bothers me that there appears no similar plans these days, to keep the for-now down-and-out Democrats, liberals, and primitives cowed and fearful, as they so well deserve to be. They’re not going to stay that way forever, unless at least some of them hear the sliding of a blade coming down from above them.

Given their long and sordid history of intolerance, their contempt for all that is good and decent, their willful ignorance, and most of all their unwillingness to compromise, to accommodate, those who think differently than they do, it’s important that they be kept humbled and prostrate and terrified.
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Re: preserving the revolution
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2017, 04:29:38 AM »
While I agree with your premise 100%, I'm curious as to just how you think that this should be executed (no pun intended--no caffeine yet).
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Re: preserving the revolution
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2017, 05:55:47 AM »
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Liberal thinking is a two-legged stool and magical thinking is one of the legs, the other is a combination of self-loating and misanthropy.  To understand it, you would have to be able to sit on that stool while juggling two elephants, an anvil and a fragmentation grenade, sans pin.

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Re: preserving the revolution
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2017, 06:03:10 AM »
While I agree with your premise 100%, I'm curious as to just how you think that this should be executed (no pun intended--no caffeine yet).

Well, so far the primitives have been doing the job themselves, with all their hysteria and paranoia about what Donald Trump and the rest of us are going to do to them.

It's all nonsense of course, all these fears, because we have no intentions at all of doing all those terrible things to them, but they believe, they really believe we do, their self-imposed terror and fears have the same effect as if we're actually doing them.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have driven any of them to do away with themselves, to rid this planet of their wretched, miserable existences.

It might, given time.

The revolution's still new.  I suggest we sit back, watch, and wait, to see how things work out on their own, for about six months or a year, in the meantime "helping" them cultivate and flourish their self-imposed paranoia.
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Re: preserving the revolution
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2017, 06:20:57 AM »
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We have to be vigilant against complacency, back-sliding.

It's in the nature of conservatives and Republicans to want get along, to compromise, to accommodate, to be nice guys, and given where that's gotten us during the past forty years, we really shouldn't do that any more.

We shouldn't give them a damned thing, not even a scrap or a crumb; we shouldn't give them anything more than what they've ever given us.  Which is.....zero.

Look at how conservatives and Republicans tried to "buy" the goodwill of Democrats, liberals, and primitives in the past--Nixon with his negative income tax (i.e., what's now the unearned income tax credit), Reagan with allowing people "too depressed" to work to get on the disability gravy-train, the second George Bush with his multitudinous kind gestures reaching out to them, including Teddy Kennedy's "No Child Left Behind" pet project.

Where'd that get them?  Democrats, liberals, and primitives hated them anyway.
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Re: preserving the revolution
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2017, 08:50:32 AM »
Well, so far the primitives have been doing the job themselves, with all their hysteria and paranoia about what Donald Trump and the rest of us are going to do to them.

It's all nonsense of course, all these fears, because we have no intentions at all of doing all those terrible things to them, but they believe, they really believe we do, their self-imposed terror and fears have the same effect as if we're actually doing them.

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have driven any of them to do away with themselves, to rid this planet of their wretched, miserable existences.

It might, given time.

The revolution's still new.  I suggest we sit back, watch, and wait, to see how things work out on their own, for about six months or a year, in the meantime "helping" them cultivate and flourish their self-imposed paranoia.

This I can get behind.  "Fertilizing the field," so to speak. :whistling:
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Re: preserving the revolution
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2017, 11:17:48 AM »
This I can get behind.  "Fertilizing the field," so to speak. :whistling:

Yeah.  The March for Life provided some good "fertilizer."

It was kind of disappointing though, the way the news media handled the March for Life; because of pressure from various sources, they had to finally acknowledge how big it actually is, but still, it didn't attract near the coverage those hideous she-cows from the week before did.

As a consequence, probably most primitives weren't even aware such a thing took place.

It would grow their self-imposed hysteria and paranoia considerably, if only they saw how wide-spread, how popular, these sentiments are. 

It was an improvement, but the news media still has a long ways to go, in covering events in proportion to their size and importance. 

I have no dog in the issue of abortion--other than as a human being, I don't think it's a good idea to let women wantonly murder children--and as you're aware, here on this site feelings about abortion span the whole spectrum, from vigorously "anti-" to somewhat "pro-" and all that's in between.

The primitives of course are absolutists on the issue, and that's the way the issue's been framed the past forty years, black-and-white, no shades in between, and "black" being the desired option.  There's a "right" to abortion, it's absolute, it's never to be questioned, it's the most important issue in the whole world.

I think it should be subject to debate, subject to argument, and I hope that's what's evolving.

That of course is the last thing the primitives want, a healthy robust discussion of the issue, every viewpoint, every perspective, aired.  It would trigger a lot of hysteria and paranoia among them, all of it their own doing. 
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Re: preserving the revolution
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2017, 11:39:57 AM »
Yeah.  The March for Life provided some good "fertilizer."

It was kind of disappointing though, the way the news media handled the March for Life; because of pressure from various sources, they had to finally acknowledge how big it actually is, but still, it didn't attract near the coverage those hideous she-cows from the week before did.

As a consequence, probably most primitives weren't even aware such a thing took place.

It would grow their self-imposed hysteria and paranoia considerably, if only they saw how wide-spread, how popular, these sentiments are. 

It was an improvement, but the news media still has a long ways to go, in covering events in proportion to their size and importance. 

I have no dog in the issue of abortion--other than as a human being, I don't think it's a good idea to let women wantonly murder children--and as you're aware, here on this site feelings about abortion span the whole spectrum, from vigorously "anti-" to somewhat "pro-" and all that's in between. 

The primitives of course are absolutists on the issue, and that's the way the issue's been framed the past forty years, black-and-white, no shades in between, and "black" being the desired option.  There's a "right" to abortion, it's absolute, it's never to be questioned, it's the most important issue in the whole world.

I think it should be subject to debate, subject to argument, and I hope that's what's evolving.

That of course is the last thing the primitives want, a healthy robust discussion of the issue, every viewpoint, every perspective, aired.  It would trigger a lot of hysteria and paranoia among them, all of it their own doing.

I think that we should listen to all opinions.  It's one of the distinguishing features of the Right.  The primitives are far more akin to Joseph Goebells' Ministry of Truth in 1933 Berlin.  That needs to be pointed out to them in every "engagement" with them.  At maximum volume, if necessary. :whistling:
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: preserving the revolution
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2017, 11:55:59 AM »
I think that we should listen to all opinions.  It's one of the distinguishing features of the Right.  The primitives are far more akin to Joseph Goebells' Ministry of Truth in 1933 Berlin.  That needs to be pointed out to them in every "engagement" with them.  At maximum volume, if necessary. :whistling:

Yep, and that's the last thing the primitives want to do; hear all sides of an issue.

Especially this one.

They're really paranoid, really fearful, about losing this "right."

While I fully expect--and encourage--modifications in rules regulating abortion to happen, I really doubt there's ever going to be a total ban on abortions. 

But the primitives are really scared there will be a total ban.

Well, there's not a damned thing we can do about what the primitives think, so let them think.....

As it spirals their hysteria and paranoia, it's all good.  Maybe it'll encourage at least a few of them to voluntarily spring loose of this mortal coil.
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Re: preserving the revolution
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2017, 01:41:49 PM »
Yep, and that's the last thing the primitives want to do; hear all sides of an issue.

Especially this one.

They're really paranoid, really fearful, about losing this "right."

While I fully expect--and encourage--modifications in rules regulating abortion to happen, I really doubt there's ever going to be a total ban on abortions. 

But the primitives are really scared there will be a total ban.

Well, there's not a damned thing we can do about what the primitives think, so let them think.....

As it spirals their hysteria and paranoia, it's all good.  Maybe it'll encourage at least a few of them to voluntarily spring loose of this mortal coil.

I am far more pro-life.  However, those are my personal positions, and I know that they will never be codified into law.  All I can do is what I can do--pray.

(If we talk about the 2nd Amendment, well, I think I've made my positions plainly clear here.  I'm that way IRL, but only if provoked.)
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

"All you have to do is look straight and see the road, and when you see it, don't sit looking at it - walk!" -Ayn Rand
 
"Those that trust God with their safety must yet use proper means for their safety, otherwise they tempt Him, and do not trust Him.  God will provide, but so must we also." - Matthew Henry, Commentary on 2 Chronicles 32, from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible

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