Chasstev365 (1,787 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512664224
How many think votes were flipped to Trump in all the swing states?
Now, how many think the Russians flipped the votes electronically and many in the GOP knew about all along?
Iran/Contra and Watergate would be child's play by comparison.
Now, you got to ask yourself- Is this DUmpmonkie chiding the rest about the stupid meme of the stolen election or does it really think the Ruskies flipped votes in key states via the voting machines?
Star Member Sancho (5,874 posts)
1. No question in my mind, even if it wasn't the Russians...
I've seen it first hand in Florida in 2004. Still going on...
Star Member InAbLuEsTaTe (7,116 posts)
6. Yup... only explanation that makes sense.
Star Member lostnfound (10,536 posts)
11. Yes! No reason we should have to prove fraud; onus is on systems to prove transparency
We deserve proof of accuracy, and the ability to verify.
Think about that, Dumpmonkiez. Do you really want us to look at every vote cast from every Democratic stronghold?
stevepal (7 posts)
24. A case in point: KS 2016 elections
Why is it anytime somebody compares the "exit polls" with the machine results, there are so often (always?) wide differences between the two, statistically significant differences. At one time, before the use of proprietary machines with software supplied and calibrated by the private companies themseves, the exit polls nearly always matched the vote results pretty closely. Now, the only way they match is if the polling companies "adjust" the results of the exit polls to match the machine results.
Anyway, here's a case of some exit polls set up and conducted by a private individual, Beth Clarkson, a statistician at Wichita State University working with the NIAR (the Nat'l Institute of Aviation Research), and not a polling organization whose reputation might somehow be tarnished if their results did not match the machine results.
Kansas 2016: read it and weep.
http://showmethevotes.org/
brush (10,376 posts)
3. Probably not the Russians, but flipping happened. The repugs cheat.
pnwest (795 posts)
5. I believe it was the GOP themselves, a few furtive ****ers like Rove, who paid off
the machine's makers and programmers to have a small percentage of D votes flip to R - just enough to make it count, but not enough to arouse real suspicion. I think they've been doing it since W, and Obama's margin was simply larger than the percentage of flips they built in. There is nothing too low for those rat****ers to stoop to. I honestly was hoping Stein's audits would reveal machine tampering and blow the lid off the whole thing. I was hoping for a indictments and for the scandal to result in a complete overhaul of the whole electronic voting process. Might as well shit in one hand and wish in the other....that whole thing ended with a whimper....
The only think Stein's shit did was show the corruption in the Detroit voting to the tune of massive democratic fraud.
Star Member jodymarie aimee (543 posts)
10. Spot on pnwest
they have been doing this in Wisconsin since 2010. Walker didn't win 3 elections, they cheated. We know that. Missing 7,000 votes found in a Republican lady's car trunk. Just the amount the Judge lost by in 2011. Yeah, co inky dink.
unblock (29,636 posts)
8. Duh
If their nominee merrily committed a federal crime by soliciting a criminal break-in to access private and/or governmental information -- and by a foreign agent to boot -- why on earth should we think their rabid followers wouldn't lie about vote totals and such?
Add to that Hillary was winning in the polls virtually every day of the campaign but somehow the one day donnie is ahead is Election Day.
Hmmmmmm.
yeah... the msm was lying.
Star Member uponit7771 (37,668 posts)
61. WAPO story claims Obama asked for protection of the machines in states and had proof the Russians
... were going after them.
I believe the 16 intel agencies vs the Russians and Conservatives
Star Member LaydeeBug (7,813 posts)
64. this is very telling.
Star Member C Moon (3,191 posts)
16. ME!!!!!!!
I recall members on DU saying that their early votes were being flipped.
Then, of course, DU was crashed election day/night.
Curtis (251 posts)
22. Something happened
I'm thinking more along the line that votes were added. There were plenty of areas that came in at over 100 percent voter turnout with muddied reasons, and wasn't there about 5000 votes taken from him before the Wisconsin recount that were considered over counts? How many over counts were missed?
The Palmer Report claims this.
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/wisconsin/Hillary won only 13 counties in Wisconsin.
Lonestarblue (6 posts)
26. Votes Were Flipped
I absolutely believe that the vote tallies were manipulated--not by the Russians but by Republicans who determined that their party would win no matter what. I believe that Republicans stole the election for Bush in Ohio in 2004, and I believe they did it again for Trump in the key swing states. We need serious changes in our voting systems to make them fair, to prevent voting manipulation by Republicans, and to stop voter suppression of minority voters. Without that, we will never have another honest election, and we can look forward to an endless stream of Republican presidents.
Star Member Greybnk48 (6,160 posts)
29. In Wisconsin, they didn't hand count the problematic counties, they ran them through the ****ing machines again and never checked the machines.
Wisconsin is lost to overt corruption and should be ground zero for a Democratic Party uprising and renaissance. The majority of people here are progressives no matter what it looks like from outside.
Knock out the Koch brothers puppet, Walker, and the rest of the Walker shit show, and go from there
Star Member Equinox Moon (2,068 posts)
31. I don't believe he won fairly, nor all the republican wins. It was a republican coup d'etat!
I believe it was combo of; purging voter rolls, deluge of voter suppression laws, provisional ballots that weren't counted/accounted, Detroit's 87!!! broken machines on election day. The probability of machines not being programed correctly, human error and a whole lot of tom-foolery by domestic and foreign actors.
The list goes on...
No way did he win fairly. NO WAY!!!!!
its voter suppression with the largest number of registered voters in the US ever.
dubyadiprecession (1,345 posts)
35. Hillary had a superior get out the vote ground game.
Her campaign was run professionally compared to Trumps. The last polls were showing a "Sustainable lead" for her for all the ups and down in the polls.
All that said, if votes can be changed with malware and then programmed to erase when finished, then yes i do believe it was possible that Russia hacked into our states election software.
EL34x4 (1,363 posts)
48. Maybe the Russians put those Trump/Pence signs in people's yards?
That way we would believe it when he won!
It's all part of the conspiracy!!!!
colsohlibgal (2,658 posts)
43. No Doubt
Not just the Russians either. Between vote flipping and the Electoral College this con man is the most illegitimate person declared a winner.
Nov 8 will join Dec 7 as dates that will live in infamy.
An old saying is that it is always darkest before the dawn, I hope fervently that will be the case...but I'm not optimistic it will be.
Star Member BeyondGeography (28,338 posts)
54. Yes, but first they made sure more Trump yard signs were planted everywhere
and more people dressed as Trump supporters showed up at Trump rallies than did at Romney rallies. Then, on Election Day, more people who look like Trump voters show up at the polls in order fake out the media and those public officials who are inclined to care. The conspiracy had to be extended to swing counties, so places that went big for Obama in 2008 and less big in 2012 barely went for Hillary this time around or swung to Trump. You had to do this even in deep blue states and the handful of swing states that Hillary managed to win.
It was all so exquisite.
Star Member libtodeath (2,528 posts)
60. There is no doubt in my mind that the repukes stole votes in the swing states.
There is no possible way cheato won FL,WI,MI and PA fairly.
Chasstev365 (1,787 posts)
73. SO: WE ALL AGREE! WHAT CAN WE DO TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH?
This is the 3rd stolen election by the GOP and the American public needs to know the truth. Ideas?
Star Member LaydeeBug (7,813 posts)
88. It didn't have to be large...that's the POINT.
tens of thousands of votes swayed the electoral college. Not even hundreds of thousands. This did not have be a large scale operation...or a DEEP operations. A few thousand here and there did it.
Star Member Hoyt (28,247 posts)
89. If the GOPers had lost by a few votes they would have said the same thing, or that "illegals" voted.
We lost, it should not have even been close enough for conspiracy theories that make us sound like "birthers" or something.
When Hoyt is the voice of reason you know you are ****ed up.
