Cyber War *IS* *STILL* an act of WAR. This is TREASON.

[dutch508]

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,554 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512654584

Cyber War *IS* *STILL* an act of WAR. This is TREASON.

plain and simple.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYMSJxN4WDU[/youtube]

Star Member Blanks (3,997 posts)
5. He owes money to foreign banks...

Forget treason, that's too hard to prove. The explanation for why we have the electoral college is to prevent someone from taking power that 'owes' foreigners.

Obviously I'm paraphrasing and even simplifying, but if there is proof that Trump personally owes money (or has holdings) in a foreign country he's in violation of the framers justification for the electoral college.

His financial records need to be made public before the electoral college vote so that his qualification can be evaluated before the electors cast their vote.

 

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,554 posts)
6. this is a very cogent point, but just because it's hard to prove doesn't mean

they didn't ****ing do it.

They did.

Im starting to think LdB is really Hillary R C

Star Member meow2u3 (20,357 posts)
43. If the right wants to use insinuation and belief

I think two can play that game. Now is not the time for proof beyond a doubt; it's political warfare now, so the gloves are off!
Solid evidence, schmolid evidence! Whatever makes the repigs look like traitors is fair game because they've been doing it to us for decades.

triron (1,333 posts)
21. Section 3 of article III of the constitution

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."

Seems to me coordination with Russians to get himself elected through espionage is giving aid to their (the Russians) cyber war actions. And he openly invited them to hack on national TV!

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,554 posts)
26. No fairy tale. But I appreicate your attempt to marginalize a bloodless coup. Please pretend some

more.

Star Member el_bryanto (11,108 posts)
15. Do you favor the imposition of the Death Penalty for those guilty of treason?

That is the traditional punishment for those convicted of treason, I believe.

Bryant

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,554 posts)
17. nice try. no dice. nt

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,554 posts)
19. Actually, that is NOT "all I have to do". Again. Nice try. No dice. Still treason

and it's not the ONLY remedy, and you damn well know it.

But that won't stop you from your TRY, now will it?

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,554 posts)
25. It's not an abvious question...it's a bunny trail one. You're welcome. nt

maybe this is the Nadin?

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,554 posts)
31. The appropriate charges against domestic actors is TREASON

for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. That simple

Star Member onenote (27,084 posts)
33. So you would agree that Jane Fonda was guilty of treason?

And that the Americans that made nice with Russia during the Cold War were traitors?

Star Member LaydeeBug (7,554 posts)
39. Again, you conflate an anti-war protest/er with enabling a bloodless coup. Pretend. nt

HoneyBadger (4 posts)
37. Who didn't know about it?

It was in the press, and at the very least, the top people in our government and probably hundreds if not thousands of staffers in our 17 intelligence agencies knew. I imagine that this was in weekly status reports and intelligence briefings for months.

I do not think that they can convict treason for "knowing". Now "doing" i.e. hacking, that would be different.

  ^ doesnt give a ****.

[jukin]

1. The supposed hacking (really just Podesta being stupid enough to get phised in) was against the democrat party, not the nation.
2. This happened under Obama the Incompetent, AKA Preznint Shit Midas.

[SVPete]

maybe this is the Nadin?

 






Maybe TMN and mal got together and had a child?

[miskie]

This is getting just so DUmb...

DUmbasses.. Let's play a game - and I'll even spot you your fantasy 'best case' scenario - the Russians leaked the Podesta EMails.

What does it mean to the elections, legally ?

Nothing.

"October surprises" are nothing new. Even Wikipedia has a catalog of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise

Now, lets say the leaks were bogus, manufactured 'fake news' - what would they mean to the election then ?

Nothing.

Unless a campaigner is under oath, it is perfectly legal for him or her to lie to the electorate. Its up to the voter to be smart enough to figure out when they are being sold a bill of goods.

as for this whole 'election has been hacked by a foreign power' claptrap -- its garbage. Neither Russia nor Wikileaks hacked voting machines. This is just your side going full-on 'birther' - and looking desperately for a loophole to deny the winner, and to create a sense of illegitimacy.   

Now -- Electoral College nonsense... Do you DUmmies realize how difficult it is to ratify a Constitutional Amendment ? Id suggest to you that 'flyover country' likes the 12th Amendment just the way it is, and no amount of crying and screaming by the 'blue states' is going to change that. Good luck getting 2/3rds of both houses of congress and 3/4 of the states to ratify a new amendment to do away with the EC...

[FunkyZero]

Whatever makes the repigs look like traitors is fair game because they've been doing it to us for decades.

We cant help that you wont shut your yap.
you dickweeds drew a line between you and the rest of us about 15 years ago. fun time is over, we're done humoring this juvenile foolishness.

[SVPete]

...
"October surprises" are nothing new. Even Wikipedia has a catalog of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise
...

Interesting. W'pedia omits one of the biggest "October Surprises" ever, Dan Blather's attempt to torpedo President Bush with patently fake "memos" concerning GWB's TANG service.