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Wed Dec 7, 2016, 01:09 AMStar Member flamingdem (34,213 posts)Michigan recount has exposed thoroughly inept and suspicious original counting processhttp://www.palmerreport.com/news/mohican-recount-exposes-thoroughly-inept-original-counting-process/402/Just one day into the court-ordered Michigan statewide recount, and it’s already become clear why Michigan’s state officials had fought so hard against a recount to begin with. From mysterious holes torn in ballot containers, to mismatched ballot tracking numbers, it’s quickly become apparent that Michigan’s original vote counting effort – which narrowly named Donald Trump the winner in a shockingly unrealistic result – was either extraordinarily sloppy or extraordinarily suspicious.In fact, some officials in Michigan are now flat out claiming that their precincts can’t be recounted, because the damage done during the original counting process makes it impossible for them to be properly recounted. Of course such a circular argument, that the destruction of evidence by those being investigated should be grounds for not continuing with the investigation, can’t possibly hold up in court. And it suggests that third party candidate Jill Stein, who forcibly initiated the Michigan recount, may have to go right back to the federal judge in question in order to force these precincts to go ahead and recount the ballot containers they tampered with.
Response to flamingdem (Original post)Wed Dec 7, 2016, 01:15 AMStar Member elleng (72,323 posts)1. Michigan, down the drain.The whole system is wrecked.
Response to flamingdem (Original post)Wed Dec 7, 2016, 04:33 AMStar Member DFW (22,178 posts)7. If the results can't be verified......then why should they be accepted at all?Expensive and cumbersome as it is, Michigan should vote again, with federal observers monitoring the vote and its tally. Mandatory ten year sentence without parole for deliberate manipulation or interference with the process.
Response to flamingdem (Original post)Wed Dec 7, 2016, 07:24 AMMichMan (461 posts)9. Blaming this on a conspiracy between state and local election officials is ridiculousWhile the situation is discerning, you do realize that 90% of the precincts that can't be recounted voted overwhelmingly for Hillary in counties that have been controlled by Democrats for decades.This source fails to mention why these strong blue precincts, would as they claimed, "destroy evidence" in concert with the Republicans to somehow ensure a Trump win.While the issues are random & sporadic state wide, the overwhelming majority are in just 2 counties, Wayne (Detroit) and Genesee (Flint). While some like to blame the machines, the same machines are used state wide. Elections are conducted n the local levelThe issue is most certainly therefore caused by poorly trained or supervised election staff who didn't take due diligence to reconcile the totals before sealing the boxes. When the machine appears to not accept a ballot, they did not follow the procedures to reset the counter, but fed ballots in multiple times thus allowing extra votes. Since this occurred most frequently in counties that voted overwhelmingly for Hillary, this most likely gave Hillary extra votes.The situation is analogous to bank tellers not being able to balance at the end of the day. They are forced to stay until the issue is reconciled, not decide it is close enough because they want to go home.The state law has been in effect since 1954 that deems ballot boxes with irregularities are not to be recounted making the original results stand. This situation needs to be fixed moving forward, but to imply it was done intentionally to aid Trump is not in any way reasonable.
Response to flamingdem (Original post)Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:01 AMChetSinger (8 posts)16. A MI recount would be good but neither party wants it nowRepublicans don't want a recount because their candidate's hanging onto a tight win. Democrats don't want it because it will call national attention to their ballot-box stuffing that's been revealed in Detroit. I think Jill's done good in Michigan, but neither party wants her to continue there now.
Even Nadin could write a better "news" article than this hack Palmer. Grasping at straws. Probably just masturbating on his keyboard as he types that crap he's clearly fabricating.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512646614 Marc should stick to name dropping because when he opines he really proves that he is one stupid retard.Not long for the world I see.
DFW (22,178 posts) Wed Dec 7, 2016, 04:33 AM7. If the results can't be verified......then why should they be accepted at all?Expensive and cumbersome as it is, Michigan should vote again, with federal observers monitoring the vote and its tally. Mandatory ten year sentence without parole for deliberate manipulation or interference with the process.
