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"We lost control of the ability to bullshit the American people"
« on: December 07, 2016, 01:09:15 PM »
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We lost control of the narrative.
   
Let me be the first to say that not everything is sunshine and roses in America but we are in an infinitely better spot than when President Obama took office. The official unemployment is 4.6% If real unemployment is higher than what is published than it was higher than what was published under President Obama's Republican predecessors. The GDP is growing at a 3.2 clip. Real incomes are starting to rise. Poverty is starting to fall. Crime is at relatively low levels.

 Out of all the mature large industrialized democracies we are in the best economic shape.

Things are much better now than when Reagan ran his 49 state winning "Morning In America" campaign.


Everything is relative. You need to compare things to like things. I am befuddled that Trump got to portray America as being in the shitter and that only he can fix it.

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1. Wouldn't losing control of something imply once having it?

Sorry to say, but the "old college try" just isn't working in the face of evil owning damned near everything . . . including the narratives (and conspiracy theories) that middle America swallows like comfort food at a Cracker Barrel.

When you have at least 3-4 channels on cable news that are pushing blatant Republican politics in such a way that the far right gets mainstreamed, that's just hard to fight. CNBC, for example, is loving the fact that they can be unchained and even MORE right-skewered than ever now that their man is in. Ad dollars played a huge influence in this election.

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3. Re:CNBC. Obama has been pretty good for the markets, like Clinton
 
Bush Pere and Bush, not so much.

So, all those years of the GOP obstructing Obama have paid off.

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TwilightZone (10,944 posts)

2. I'm more befuddled that people actually fell for it.

The living epitome of corporate elitism convinced nearly half the voting public - including a not-small number of "progressives" and other liberals/Democrats/minorities/etc. - that he was an anti-elite, anti-establishment populist.

I know we're not supposed to stereotype Trump supporters, but I quite honestly do not understand how anyone would vote for the guy outside of rich people. Not even them. Sorry, but they're clearly gullible and easily influenced. Seemingly all of them.

I really didn't think there were enough gullible people in the country to elect him. I was grossly mistaken.

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10. Because FOX, Breitbart and Trump all pushed fear, anger and resentment. And the brain chemistry

involved is addicting.

Once you get fed that stuff, it takes hold and requires great effort to overcome.

said the party of, "Misogyny! Racism! Xenophobia! Fascism! War! Safe spaces! Black lives matter! Hands up, don't shoot! Islamophobia!"

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20. "they're clearly gullible and easily influenced"

Then why can't Democrats, who I'm sure are smarter than Republicans, win them over? Because they're racist? Well, think up a strategy to get around the racism. Especially since race and racism are social constructs anyway.

Saying clearly gullible and easily influenced after an election just sounds like they're idiots because they didn't vote for the side I'm on. If they had voted with me, all of a sudden they're not clearly gullible and easily influenced? Or are clearly gullible and easily influenced people always clearly gullible and easily influenced regardless of who they vote for, but if you win those people over to your particular side, you're not going to say that to them?

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21. Because Democrats generally appeal to logic and rationalism.

That doesn't work with people who are making decisions based on fear, an inherently irrational state, and/or ignorance, intentional or otherwise.

"just sounds like they're idiots because they didn't vote for the side I'm on."

Well, yes. Anyone who voted for Trump is gullible. He was shown to be a pathological liar by every fact-checker in existence, and people took him at face value anyway. That's the very definition of gullible. To believe anything Trump says, in the face of incontrovertible evidence that he's a lying sociopath, nails it on the head.

I'm not interested in winning over Trump voters who voted for him based on building a wall and rounding up American citizens and putting them in camps or worse. Or believe Hillary is running a sex crime ring out of a pizza joint. They're a waste of time. Our time would be much better spent refining our message and increasing and maintaining turnout in the areas that are already strengths.

I think I figured out why they lost.

Too busy patting themselves on the back to go vote.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028339180
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Re: "We lost control of the ability to bullshit the American people"
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2016, 01:22:55 PM »
Soaring school and local property taxes that are a second mortgage to many with absolutely nothing to show for them is the start.
Now add in state taxes which also are spiking to pay for the medicaid of illegals children while erecting monuments to deviancy and you still wonder what went wrong? 
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Re: "We lost control of the ability to bullshit the American people"
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2016, 01:31:23 PM »
When you just call everyone gullible and stupid, you can wipe your hands and say your analysis work is done here.

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and rounding up American citizens and putting them in camps or worse.

You know, Hillary was the only one who mentioned camps.   She called them "fun camps," ominously. 
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Re: "We lost control of the ability to bullshit the American people"
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2016, 01:35:55 PM »
There is a simple reason that you lost.  The American people aren't stupid, sexist, racist, homophobes, xenophobic, deplorable, whatever term the left & media uses to denigrate those who voted for Trump.

You lost because the Dems rely on low information voters.  Rush has had it right for a long time.  Many on the left care far more about the Kardashians and Caitlin Jenner, also are perpetually offended by any perceived micro aggression, real or completely fake.

Meanwhile, a majority of Americans paid attention to the economy and taking care of their families & loved one.  All that other extraneous BS was immaterial.  Yet the left STILL doesn't face that reality.
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Re: "We lost control of the ability to bullshit the American people"
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2016, 04:57:09 PM »
Quote from: Ralph Wiggum on December 07, 2016, 01:35:55 PM
There is a simple reason that you lost.  The American people aren't stupid, sexist, racist, homophobes, xenophobic, deplorable, whatever term the left & media uses to denigrate those who voted for Trump.

You lost because the Dems rely on low information voters.  Rush has had it right for a long time.  Many on the left care far more about the Kardashians and Caitlin Jenner, also are perpetually offended by any perceived micro aggression, real or completely fake.

Meanwhile, a majority of Americans paid attention to the economy and taking care of their families & loved one.  All that other extraneous BS was immaterial.  Yet the left STILL doesn't face that reality.

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Re: "We lost control of the ability to bullshit the American people"
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2016, 05:17:17 PM »
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We lost control of the narrative.
   
Let me be the first to say that not everything is sunshine and roses in America but we are in an infinitely better spot than when President Obama took office. The official unemployment is 4.6% If real unemployment is higher than what is published than it was higher than what was published under President Obama's Republican predecessors. The GDP is growing at a 3.2 clip. Real incomes are starting to rise. Poverty is starting to fall. Crime is at relatively low levels.

The shit you infants believe....  ::)

Just for starters, the GDP has averaged ........ 1 under your precious boyfriend, asshat.  Oh, so you're admitting that government unemployment figures are made up bullshit.  Guess when that started? Poverty levels rose and crime had been falling since the early 90's well, .....until recently.  :whistling:

Eat a bag of dicks.

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Re: "We lost control of the ability to bullshit the American people"
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2016, 06:52:42 PM »
Same old, same old. We did not get our message out... lather, rinse repeat.

What these idiots do not understand is their message got out alright... loud and clear the first two years of the obumbles admin.  And that message was rejected. Again and again.

Then along comes Trump. He talked about what people wanted to hear. He understood what has Americans pissed off. The rest of the GOP? Nada.

That is why he won. Plain and simple. He was a candidate that spoke to the people, not at them or down at them.  Then he worked his ass off to show the American people that he deserved the job. He went and talked with black folks, hispanic folks, folks of all colors and he talked with them. More importantly he listened. Your candidate?  Not even in the same universe.

That is why your side lost dummies. Now ESAD.
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Re: "We lost control of the ability to bullshit the American people"
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2016, 08:32:39 PM »
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The GDP is growing at a 3.2 clip

?!?!?!?!?!?!

We will be lucky to top 2% this year and the only reason we might is because trump was elected.
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Re: "We lost control of the ability to bullshit the American people"
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2016, 09:48:29 PM »
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We lost control of the narrative.
   
Let me be the first to say that not everything is sunshine and roses in America but we are in an infinitely better spot than when President Obama took office. The official unemployment is 4.6% If real unemployment is higher than what is published than it was higher than what was published under President Obama's Republican predecessors. The GDP is growing at a 3.2 clip. Real incomes are starting to rise. Poverty is starting to fall. Crime is at relatively low levels.

 Out of all the mature large industrialized democracies we are in the best economic shape.

Things are much better now than when Reagan ran his 49 state winning "Morning In America" campaign.


Everything is relative. You need to compare things to like things. I am befuddled that Trump got to portray America as being in the shitter and that only he can fix it.

Let's see. There are many people not participating in the labor force. What part do you not get?

Go eat some crows!
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