What does the white working class want?

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512642702

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:44 PM

JHan (806 posts)

What does the white working class want?
The Populism Perplex : Paul Krugman
NOV. 25, 2016

    First, a general point: Any claim that changed policy positions will win elections assumes that the public will hear about those positions. How is that supposed to happen, when most of the news media simply refuse to cover policy substance? Remember, over the course of the 2016 campaign, the three network news shows devoted a total of 35 minutes combined to policy issues — all policy issues. Meanwhile, they devoted 125 minutes to Mrs. Clinton’s emails.




    Beyond this, the fact is that Democrats have already been pursuing policies that are much better for the white working class than anything the other party has to offer. Yet this has brought no political reward.



    Consider eastern Kentucky, a very white area which has benefited enormously from Obama-era initiatives. Take, in particular, the case of Clay County, which the Times declared a few years ago to be the hardest place in America to live. It’s still very hard, but at least most of its residents now have health insurance: Independent estimates say that the uninsured rate fell from 27 percent in 2013 to 10 percent in 2016. That’s the effect of the Affordable Care Act, which Mrs. Clinton promised to preserve and extend but Mr. Trump promised to kill.

    Mr. Trump received 87 percent of Clay County’s vote.

    Now, you might say that health insurance is one thing, but what people want are good jobs. Eastern Kentucky used to be coal country, and Mr. Trump, unlike Mrs. Clinton, promised to bring the coal jobs back. (So much for the idea that Democrats need a candidate who will stand up to the fossil fuels industry.) But it’s a nonsensical promise.

    Where did Appalachia’s coal mining jobs go? They weren’t lost to unfair competition from China or Mexico. What happened instead was, first, a decades-long erosion as U.S. coal production shifted from underground mining to strip mining and mountaintop removal, which require many fewer workers: Coal employment peaked in 1979, fell rapidly during the Reagan years, and was down more than half by 2007. A further plunge came in recent years thanks to fracking. None of this is reversible.

    You can’t explain the votes of places like Clay County as a response to disagreements about trade policy. The only way to make sense of what happened is to see the vote as an expression of, well, identity politics — some combination of white resentment at what voters see as favoritism toward nonwhites (even though it isn’t) and anger on the part of the less educated at liberal elites whom they imagine look down on them.

    To be honest, I don’t fully understand this resentment. In particular, I don’t know why imagined liberal disdain inspires so much more anger than the very real disdain of conservatives who see the poverty of places like eastern Kentucky as a sign of the personal and moral inadequacy of their residents.

    One thing is clear, however: Democrats have to figure out why the white working class just voted overwhelmingly against its own economic interests, not pretend that a bit more populism would solve the problem.




Indeed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/opinion/the-populism-perplex.html?_r=1

What we don`t want is every deviant and retarded social justice idiocy shoved down our throats.

Response to JHan (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:47 PM

nycbos (11 posts)
1. As LBJ said...

"If you can convince the lowest white man he is better than the best colored man he won't notice you picking his pockets."

Racism,never heard that before. 

Response to JHan (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:52 PM

Star Member Uponthegears (1,172 posts)
2. Not to beat a dead horse

Including the one Krugman's riding, but the answer to that question appears to be, "Exactly what Democrats were offering" because the sub $50K/year working class favored Hillary over Trump by about the same percentage they favored our President over Romney.

So takers that wanted more freebies sided with shillary...what a surprise.

[franksolich]

Racism, never heard that before. 

Yeah, ol' Lyndon actually did say that.

<<<can't figure out why Democrats, liberals, and primitives aren't fond of ol' Lyndon; he was their guy after all.

[SVPete]

Krugs, the voters of most states - not just whites - rejected The SHREW's promises of "more of the same". If you want to know what they want, why not leave your NYC ivory tower office and (gasp!) go to flyover country? Duct tape your mouth shut and listen to the people who rejected you (and your little CHILL, too). Find out what they value, what their concerns are.

[landofconfusion80]

Krugs, the voters of most states - not just whites - rejected The SHREW's promises of "more of the same". If you want to know what they want, why not leave your NYC ivory tower office and (gasp!) go to flyover country? Duct tape your mouth shut and listen to the people who rejected you (and your little CHILL, too). Find out what they value, what their concerns are.

Hillary needs to go on that tour the primitives suggested earlier

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[Patriot Guard Rider]

Krugs, the voters of most states - not just whites - rejected The SHREW's promises of "more of the same". If you want to know what they want, why not leave your NYC ivory tower office and (gasp!) go to flyover country? Duct tape your mouth shut and listen to the people who rejected you (and your little CHILL, too). Find out what they value, what their concerns are.

The problem is, they want to know what the white voters want, and the white vote have been SCREAMING at them what they want.

The liberal response is, "Yea, but you're a racist, misogynist, islamaphobe, xenophobe, deplorable redneck asshole".

They refuse to listen and learn, then wonder why they lose that vote (you know, the vote that gave jugears the white house, twice).

People were tired of the same old, same old. They need hope. They need a reason to get up in the morning. They need to know the country is on the right track. All you liberals did was say, "vote for more of the same". That was rejected convincingly. Yet you refuse to learn.

[fatboy]

Hillary and the Cranky old Commie fought tooth and nail for 90% of the primary season and when the smoke cleared, it was the super delegates that did it for Hillary, not the democrat voters. A good portion of the sanders supporters know a buy-out when they see it so they just said no or voted for someone else besides the democrat Hillary. So I think a case could be made that some of the white working class democrat voters that didn't support Hillary want a little less Wall Street in Washington. That's what they want. The rest of us honkeys want to slow down the slide into the abyss.

[Mr Mannn]

What do white working class voters want? They want a govt that responds to the people.

They do NOT want a govt of elitist masters.
They do NOT want propaganda masquerading as news.
They do NOT want a nanny govt telling them how to live their lives.

These people were at one time loyal union democrat. Always a reliable vote. But your side abandoned them. Trump never promised freebies, he promised JOBS. Democrats embraced globalism and tossed aside their most loyal constituents.

You reap what you sow.

[I_B_Perky]

The problem is, they want to know what the white voters want, and the white vote have been SCREAMING at them what they want.

The liberal response is, "Yea, but you're a racist, misogynist, islamaphobe, xenophobe, deplorable redneck asshole".

They refuse to listen and learn, then wonder why they lose that vote (you know, the vote that gave jugears the white house, twice).

People were tired of the same old, same old. They need hope. They need a reason to get up in the morning. They need to know the country is on the right track. All you liberals did was say, "vote for more of the same". That was rejected convincingly. Yet you refuse to learn.

^^^^ nailed it! H5!!!

What do white working class voters want? They want a govt that responds to the people.

They do NOT want a govt of elitist masters.
They do NOT want propaganda masquerading as news.
They do NOT want a nanny govt telling them how to live their lives.

These people were at one time loyal union democrat. Always a reliable vote. But your side abandoned them. Trump never promised freebies, he promised JOBS. Democrats embraced globalism and tossed aside their most loyal constituents.

You reap what you sow.

^^^ Nailed it as well!  H5

I might add that we are tired of being invaded by the mexicans and south american natives.  We want the globalist shit to stop. We want the globull warming bullshit to stop.  And most importantly, we want the smug liberal dem elites like Krugman to go **** themselves and then jump off a cliff.

If all the rural states would band together and decide to quit powering the electric grid to places like DC, NYC, etc, that would get their attention real quick.  If they complain, tell them to put out solar panels.  Then sell all the food produced to other countries instead of NY, DC and the rest. Let them finally discover just how much their smug asses need us. 

None of this will happen... I realize that... but all it would take would be a month and I bet those smug ass liberals would get a brand new attitude.

[98ZJUSMC]

I might add that we are tired of being invaded by the mexicans and south american natives.  We want the globalist shit to stop. We want the globull warming bullshit to stop.  And most importantly, we want the smug liberal dem elites like Krugman to go **** themselves and then jump off a cliff.

Can't be said enough.  Oh, we're racist?  No, we're for the RULE OF LAW, you ignorant infants and it would seem that, now Italy, agrees with us.

So (D)Ummies, how about a heapin' cup-o-

[jukin]

To be honest, I don’t fully understand

No Paul you do not but you never get tired of pointing out how very much you do not understand.

Point in case, has the stock market recovered yet?  Will it be next year or is it still NEVER?

Paul, you and your fellow socialists are what the white working class DOES NOT WANT. However you are just too dense, to indoctrinated you cannot see the forest for the trees.

[Adam Wood]

Yeah, ol' Lyndon actually did say that.

<<<can't figure out why Democrats, liberals, and primitives aren't fond of ol' Lyndon; he was their guy after all.

I have actually had a Leftist insist to me that LBJ was a "civil rights icon" because he signed the Civil Rights Act.  This fool (who may or may not actually be a DUmmie) swears up, down, and sideways, to this very day, that even though LBJ's response was "we'll have them ******s voting Democrat for 200 years," he was some sort of champion for Black people.

There is an astounding amount of brainwashing on the Left.



As for Krugman, who has literally never been correct about a single thing in his entire life, that's pretty much exactly whom I would expect the DUmmies to pray to.

Just as a friendly reminder:

The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in “Metcalfe's law”–which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants–becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's.

~ Paul Krugman, 1998

[Karin]

Also, people were sick of being lied to constantly, and of insane moonbattery in general.  For example, "that was just workplace violence." 

[freedumb2003b]

One thing is clear, however: Democrats have to figure out why the white working class just voted overwhelmingly against its own economic interests

Another liberal media strawman.  The premise is flawed thus the article is pointless.

All of America (and the world) is watching in great amusement while the MSM continues to act as if their words HAVE ANY MEANING WHATSOEVER.

The other day, Dick Cheney told CNN "we proved we don't need you guys."

The same people who voted Trump in have rejected the MSM -- as have a good number who voted for HiLIARy.

[Carl]

Also, people were sick of being lied to constantly, and of insane moonbattery in general.  For example, "that was just workplace violence."

Exactly and it got to the point of just plain insulting with a knife twist of arrogance behind it.

[FiddyBeowulf]

What does the white working class want?
The Populism Perplex : Paul Krugman

Great  , Krugman is going to libsplain what people who actually work for a living want.

Hey Paul,
They want the government out of their wallets and their lives. You assume the 27% of those people in Clay county who did not have health insurance needed it. You also assume the people who got Obamacare actually wanted it, can actually afford to have it and will not be financially wiped out if they tried to use it.

[SVPete]

The problem is, they want to know what the white voters want, and the white vote have been SCREAMING at them what they want.

The liberal response is, "Yea, but you're a racist, misogynist, islamaphobe, xenophobe, deplorable redneck asshole".

They refuse to listen and learn, then wonder why they lose that vote (you know, the vote that gave jugears the white house, twice).

People were tired of the same old, same old. They need hope. They need a reason to get up in the morning. They need to know the country is on the right track. All you liberals did was say, "vote for more of the same". That was rejected convincingly. Yet you refuse to learn.

PGR, I think people like Krugs or DU-folk have so isolated themselves from normal people, have so successfully gotten normal people out of their lives, that not only have they created bete noir bogeymen in their imaginations, but they have come to fully believe those bogeymen are reality. It would take at least a year of living among and listening to - with duct-taped mouths, to keep them from drowning out the reality they hear - normal people to start breaking down (if they can be) those Prog stereotypes.

It's one thing to over-simplify and use hyperbole, but one should be very careful of believing one's stereotypes.

[Carl]

PGR, I think people like Krugs or DU-folk have so isolated themselves from normal people, have so successfully gotten normal people out of their lives, that not only have they created bete noir bogeymen in their imaginations, but they have come to fully believe those bogeymen are reality. It would take at least a year of living among and listening to - with duct-taped mouths, to keep them from drowning out the reality they hear - normal people to start breaking down (if they can be) those Prog stereotypes.

It's one thing to over-simplify and use hyperbole, but one should be very careful of believing one's stereotypes.

Even beyond that,they have ordained themselves as the presumptive ruling class.
Any deviation from that path is viewed with mystery and the rage associated with their infantile mental state.

[Maverick1987]

JHan (806 posts)

What does the white working class want?

For you, and everyone who thinks like you, to have the least amount of power and influence in American politics and policymaking as possible.

[BannedFromDU]

     They want government to care more about creating an environment where companies can hire and compete, and less about where trannies are allowed to take a dump.

     It's really that simple.

[CollectivismMustDie]

[youtube]https://youtu.be/S0n2vurSBIQ?t=71[/youtube]



  (applicable quote at 1:10) 


CMD

[I_B_Perky]

Can't be said enough.  Oh, we're racist?  No, we're for the RULE OF LAW, you ignorant infants and it would seem that, now Italy, agrees with us.

So (D)Ummies, how about a heapin' cup-o-

I have always said that if the invading hispanic hoard voted GOP there would be a wall built in a year that would rival the great wall of China.

[TendiesForBreakfast]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZ2PPOLik