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DI Jr. Refugee posts defense of Trump election
« on: November 21, 2016, 07:02:36 PM »
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This would be one of those times.

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SibeliantheBlue    (143 posts)  November 12, 2016 at 11:10 am
 
HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED??? (video)

The video below is from a Men’s Rights Activist called Karen Straughan.

I don’t identify as a Men’s Rights Activist, nor do I imagine that there are a large number of them posting on this site.  However, I think Karen has put her finger on a fairly prominent cluster of points here that resonate with me, and, I suspect, a number of other people posting here, regarding Trump’s victory.  Perhaps not everyone here will agree with her, but I think it at least gives a fairly clear window into the Trump victory phenomena for people considering all this, both posting and lurking.  She also addresses the “Trump as fascist” story.

I have transcribed the whole speech she makes below in italics, but it’s a bit more powerful actually listening to her.

She’s furious.

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So.

How could this have happened?

We’ve all heard the terrible, awful, really bad, no good news.  President Trump is a reality.  We’re about to enter a new age of fascism and SJWs and other assorted lefties have been losing their ****ing minds.  Burning flags and cars, hyperventilating and causing the Canadian immigration website to crash.

Left leaning pundits have been throwing tantrums and spewing hate at the identity groups who betrayed all that is right and good by voting in “literally Hitler”.

I’m not going to deny that I take a certain satisfaction that this event has pissed off all the right people.  Sweet, savage schadenfreude.  And I won’t say I wasn’t worried that Hillary might win.  And no, I have never been an “anyone but Hillary” person.  I genuinely like Trump.  I think he’d be a decent president.  Maybe not the best president ever, but I think he’ll do alright.  A lot of the reason I think that is because I watched a lot of the debates during the primaries and the presidential race and I watched a lot of his rallies beginning to end.  That is, I didn’t just read what the mainstream media reported about him.

I actually watched, and listened, to him.

When the mainstream quoted him I’d go watch the video they’d taken the quote from and frequently it was either isolated from a broader context of what he’d said or it was a statement about an individual or a sub-group, like Rosie O’Donnell or Mexican criminals, that was projected onto an entire identity group like women and Mexicans… or examined through the lens of the least charitable interpretation possible like the recent revelation that he had called Veterans “weak”.

Now, why did I do this?  Why did I constantly fact-check?

Well, why do YOU think?

Could it be because the same media that was decrying Trump as racist, misogynist, homophobic, white supremacist, bigoted has portrayed people like me the same way?  I mean, it’s not like the SJWs can call me a rapist, but, ya know, they’ve called me a rape apologist often enough.

And, then there was the violence at the rallies and the media spin on that.  The odd time a Trump supporter was violent it was blamed on Trump’s violent, bigoted and hateful rhetoric.  But when Trump protestors were violent, well, that too was blamed on Trump’s violent, bigoted and hateful rhetoric, and yet the media couldn’t get enough of spinning everything Trump said as violent bigoted and hateful even when it wasn’t.  And so I had to wonder, “is the media promoting this violence?”

I read and I heard how the mainstream liberal media and Democrats on social media had labelled Trump a fascist.  Now don’t get me wrong, a populist who runs for office through the Democratic process may become a fascist for sure, but… please consider the following:

Fascists don’t tend to want to dismantle federal mandates regarding how kids are educated the way Trump wants to do with Common Core.  They don’t tend to advocate greater educational choice for parents such as charter schools and support for home schooling, they actually tend to want to implement a national, centralised, mandatory educational programme so that the government can determine what information kids are exposed to and what information they’re not.

Fascists don’t tend to want to uphold states rights and limit the power of the federal government.  They generally want to consolidate power federally and strip state and provincial or municipal governments of autonomy.

And fascists certainly don’t vigorously defend the rights of individuals to freedom of expression and self-defense…Gun rights.  The two most important individual rights when it comes to protecting individuals against abuse of state power.  They generally want arms only in the hands of a mobilised military under their control and they want civilians to be at their mercy in terms of policing freedom of expression.

Fascists don’t tend to want to impose term limits.  They generally want to abolish them.  Fascists tend to get into power through a subversion of the democratic process and once there they begin dismantling constitutional protections or sometimes tear up the constitution altogether.

Nothing I have heard Trump say indicates he has done or wants to do any of these things.

In fact, he was the first person of any real note to call out the DNC on its shenanigans during the primaries.  He made insinuations of a rigged system that had unfairly and undemocratically squeezed Bernie Sanders out.  Insinuations that seem to have borne more fruit than the DNC would ever want to admit.

That sounds like defending the democratic process from the upper echelons of the (perhaps misnamed) Democratic party, who were attempting to subvert it.

And as for how this could have actually happened, that answer is obvious to anyone who doesn’t gobble up the pre-packaged, pureed pigswill the mainstream media forcefeeds and then obediently shits out the desired result on demand.

“A vote for Trump is a vote for misogyny because he called Rosie O’Donnell a bad word or called Clinton a nasty woman instead of a nasty person.”

Well.  That’s just not an argument.

I’ve been called a misogynist too many times to swallow that kind of accusation at face value.

“A vote for Trump is a vote for racism and xenophobia because he’s concerned about Islamic terrorism and worried about Mexican criminals setting up shop in the US using the decent, hardworking, mostly law-abiding undocumented Mexicans as a Kevlar vest?”

Yeah, that’s also not an argument.  Countries have borders for a reason, yo?

And to see all the asshole virtue signalers who Tweeted “Je Suis Charlie” now scream “Islamophobia!!!”  because someone suggests that taking ISIS at their word, believing them when they claim they’re sneaking operatives into the West among legitimate refugees and that we need to adjust for that, to claim that’s all hatred of Muslims?

What the ever-loving ****?

You know, I was sitting in my boyfriend’s favourite barber shop about a year ago, watching him get a hot shave and listening to the Lebanese barber Abram and the Arab Muslim men who drop in to sit on his three leather couches and drink coffee and talk, discuss their worries about radical Islamic terrorism make its way into Canada via the exploitation of our welcoming attitude toward refugees.

Are they Islamophobes now, too?

And, frankly, I have been accused, hither and yon, of Islamic apologia because I am not willing to uncritically swallow the blanket accusation of Muslim institutional misogyny yet at the same time I am not going to be convinced Trump is an Islamophobe for expressing concerns and worries that are expressed all the time by moderate Muslims I have met here in Canada, concerns and worries that I share myself.

As someone who’s been called every name in the book that ends with “ist”, I’m getting rather sick of it.

It’s like some ****ed up game of Yu-Gi-Oh where the blue eyed white dragon delivers whatever accusation of whatever “ism” is most politically expedient at the moment, no discussion necessary, just slap the card down, scream “MISOGYNY ACCUSATION ATTAAACK!!!” and you’ve won the argument.

No.

No, you haven’t.

You have not won the argument.  At best, all you’ve done is silence someone.  And by silencing them the way you have, by shaming rather than convincing them, all you’ve done is harden their opinion.

If an accusation of misogyny, racism, homophobia or xenophobia is the only argument you have, then you have no counterargument.

“Anyone who likes Trump better than Hillary is a misogynist” is not an argument.  It never was…. And neither is “Trump is literally Hitler.”

And while I’ve seen tons of reasoned arguments coming from Trump supporters, and, let’s not be coy here, sometimes those reasoned arguments had more to do with rejecting Hillary than supporting Trump… all I have seen from the Clinton Camp is fearmongering, accusations of various “isms” and bizarre deflections from Clinton’s own glaring flaws.

Somehow, according to the media, Trump saying his statements in the Access Hollywood video were “locker room talk”…  That’s an OBVIOUS lie, and he’s obviously covering up the fact that he’s a sex offender who walks up to random women all the time, shoves his tongue down their throats, making them choke on TicTacs, probably, and grabs them by the ***** before so much as saying hello.

Yet Clinton’s assertion that the Russians are responsible for the DNC e-mails released by Wikileaks… that’s just the end of the story.  Nothing more to see here, despite the fact that I don’t think that I ever heard her or anyone else make a single claim that the e-mails themselves were faked.  Same with Project Veritas.

“You can’t trust O’Keefe’s videos because he once broke the law to get the same kind of dirt on someone else.

Don’t look at the e-mails themselves, her supporters said, look only at the malicious intentions of the people I’m telling you leaked them.  Ignore the message and instead dismiss the messenger.”

“Don’t look at the videos themselves”, her supporters said, “because the guy who shot them used subterfuge to get the footage.  Ignore the evidence and instead dismiss the process by which it was gathered.”

I’m sorry.

I would no more dismiss a video of a man killing his wife in bed based on the fact that the kid who filmed it was burglarising their house at the time than I would dismiss the e-mails or the videos that no-one in the Clinton campaign or the DNC has ever actually disavowed as being faked.

“The people showing you the evidence are bad or mean, or even criminal” is not an argument against the evidence, snowflakes.

And always, always, always the accusations that questioning equals misogyny, or racism, or Islamophobia, or homophobia, or transphobia or xenophobia or triskaidekaphobia or whatever “obia” or “ism” is the most politically expedient at that moment.

And when that stopped working, then it was accusations that critics of Clinton were tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists.  Never mind Hillary’s constant assertions that “it was the Russians that done did it”.

And when that stopped working, it was the constant, incessant, hysterical drumbeat characterisation of Trump as “literally Hitler”.  A vote for Trump is a vote for fascism.

And when THAT didn’t work it was the blanket accusation that anyone who would ever vote for Trump is a stupid, uneducated hick.

You guys were so self-absorbed and so concerned with fitting in with the right thinking people and looking morally upright and all the rest of that… well you just couldn’t even conceive of the existence of the type of person on whom that kind of social leverage wouldn’t work.

“Don’t you WANT to look like one of the smart people?  Don’t you WANT to not look like a dummy or a rube?  Well, if you vote for Trump you’re just dumb and everyone will know it…”

And the mainstream media that clearly favoured Clinton… that obsessed over every potentially “problematic” thing Trump said or did over the last 20 years while brushing off the Wikileaks and the private e-mail server and the Clinton foundation accepting huge sums of money from foreign governments and the fact that Goldman Sachs and the Lehman brothers and countless other 1%ers were listed as Hillary’s top donors, well you know, never mind.  She’s still a candidate for the little guy, for the oppressed, for all you downtrodden rubes and hicks that are so dumb… you just don’t know how to vote in your own interests.

On and on and on.

“Listen to us University educated pampered, privileged elites or else you’re stupid and bigoted.”

How the **** did that work out for YOU, assholes?

None of you have ever been able to comprehend the existence of people like me.

You can call me every name in the book… racist, sexist, Islamophobic, Islam apologist, homophobe … some dumb waitress with no education.

Go ahead.  Throw it at me.  I’ll look at you University educated snobs whose only counterargument is an accusation and imputation of malice and I’ll see you for exactly what you are.  Conformists who seek social status through compliance and credentialing.

People who learned what to think in University instead of how to think.

People with enormous privilege who never tire of telling the unwashed masses to check theirs.

People who somehow believe Trump is a fascist when that description more closely fits Hillary given the DNC’s subversion of its own Democratic process to win her the primaries.

People who are losing their mother****ing minds over the fact that one of the actual, really and for true Boys from Brazil, actually really and for true got elected to the highest office in America and arguably the most powerful office in the world.  Nuclear war is inevitable!  Because that’s what the Nazis would have done and Trump is the second coming of Hitler after all.  It’ll be France first and then the rest of the world.

You’re all running around like Chicken Little screaming “the sky is falling!” and acting the exact same way you predicted those vile, evil, bigoted Trump supporters would react if he lost the election.  Rioting, burning flags and cars, shooting people and declaring the results of the election to be illegitimate.

And you still have no ****ing clue why you lost.

It’s not because Trump supporters are bigots.

It’s not because Trump supporters are stupid uneducated hicks.

It’s not because Trump supporters are too dumb to know what’s good for them.

And it’s not because Trump supporters are fascists that hate everyone that doesn’t look like them.

Trump is not the Devil.  Trump is not literally Hitler.  Trump is not a fascist.

And whatever happens within the next four years… and, no… I’m not predicting nuclear strikes against France…your response to this unexpected turn of events will only solidify the belief of Trump voters that they did the right thing.

After all, in doing so, they pissed off all the right people.

Didn’t they?

http://www.jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/how-could-this-have-happened-video/

BTW - IdaBriggs rec'ed the thread
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Re: DI Jr. Refugee posts defense of Trump election
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 07:36:49 PM »
Well that was a kick ass article.

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Re: DI Jr. Refugee posts defense of Trump election
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2016, 07:40:37 PM »
Sibelian is a gay lefty who is rather loopy but occasionally makes sense.

This would be one of those times.

http://www.jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/how-could-this-have-happened-video/

BTW - IdaBriggs rec'ed the thread

A nice, cogent encapsulation of the last year or so...
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Re: DI Jr. Refugee posts defense of Trump election
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2016, 08:36:52 PM »
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Pulled or for members only?
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Re: DI Jr. Refugee posts defense of Trump election
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2016, 09:01:08 PM »
Page not found.

Pulled or for members only?

It looks to have been pulled.

The two chicks who along with Manny are bosses of the site are sensitive people, and don't like dissenting or unusual viewpoints appearing on their message board.
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Re: DI Jr. Refugee posts defense of Trump election
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2016, 09:35:58 PM »
It looks to have been pulled.

The two chicks who along with Manny are bosses of the site are sensitive people, and don't like dissenting or unusual viewpoints appearing on their message board.

It's behaviors like this that will drive the primitives back to their first love, Skin's Island.

Leftists love hovering over the controls on any web forum, squelching anything resembling dissent.

All Skins and his bucket of losers (the broccoli and what's-his-name) have to do is figure out how to tamp down on some of the insane moderators at the Island and market their own laziness as a "freer" board than the others, and he's back in bank.

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Re: DI Jr. Refugee posts defense of Trump election
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2016, 09:36:07 PM »
The libs have really demonstrated to the thinking world just how unhinged they are. This article summarizes their anger and hatred of all who don't bow and worship the same authoritarian babysitting from cradle to grave gov't they do.

Unfortunately, too many parents have babied their kids and given them whatever they want and never have made them put out any effort to achieve that these kids can't appreciate what they do have, and it's likely to only get worse since they'll not know to raise their kids any different. Liberalism is its own worse enemy as it teaches the very people it needs to sustain its existence to sit back and wait for it to be provided, or throw temper tantrums until hopefully someone listens.

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Re: DI Jr. Refugee posts defense of Trump election
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2016, 06:58:32 AM »
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Sibelian is a gay lefty who is rather loopy but occasionally makes sense.

Speaking entirely seriously:

1.) How did a guy like that come across an article like that? Has he had extensive unpleasant experience with feminazis' bitter hatred for males?

2.) I don't have a hugemongous amount of patience for lengthy articles, even good ones with which I agree. It takes something reeeeeally excellent to hold my attention through every word. (Yes, that is weird, given my charter membership in Over-Explainers Annoymorous.) That piece held me for every word.

What's wryly amusing is that - as JPR's Mods demonstrated - many, if not most, Libs & Progs would reflexively ignore, try to suppress, and attack the messenger bearing cold hard truth they don't want to hear. Like this article. Were it posted on DU it would earn some one with less than 5K posts an insta-ban, and some one with a post count north of 50K a two-week time-out.
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