Marc discusses what happens when you feed the bears.

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028160456

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:54 PM

DFW (21,164 posts)

Germany vs. Switzerland: what to do when refugees aren't?
It made the news here in Germany as well as in Switzerland that several "refugees" fleeing deadly persecution in their homeland took a vacation, which is their right. So where did some of them go? Right back to their home countries, from whence they claimed to have fled in fear of their lives. Booked the trips openly, not even bothering to disguise what they were doing. "Whaddaya gonna do about it, huh?"

This kind of thing makes my blood boil, because it fuels far-right sentiment, and makes things unfairly difficult for the hundreds of thousands of people who really did flee in fear for their lives. Germany's intention was to offer them shelter, not a free ride on the German-financed gravy train.

Switzerland had some cases of this, too and immediately canceled the vacationers' money and their right to stay in Switzerland. Germany (so far) has done exactly nothing, except refuse to censor the reports (thank goodness for small favors). Guess where sentiment for true refugees will stay intact, and where this will be used against them?

I couldn't find a link to an English language report, sorry

Mother****er always bitches about what the welfare state causes and then insists that we enact the same. 

Response to DFW (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:01 PM

smirkymonkey (17,869 posts)
1. Of course people knew that they weren't all refugees - that many of them were economic

migrants coming from non-war torn countries. Why would your governments give those people a free ride in the first place?

Same reason you useless mutts demand it here.

Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:05 PM

DFW (21,164 posts)
2. For some reason

The economic refugees forgot to tell the people interviewing them their real purpose for coming, and no one had the time to do a lie detector test on 800,000 people, or find enough Arabic-speakers to administer the tests. Germany's bad.

esponse to Bucky (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 09:54 PM

demmiblue (9,145 posts)
6. +1

Prhaps when the anger subsides, the OP will look at the issue more objectfully and find a little compassion for those who have lost everything.

Response to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 11:07 PM

DFW (21,164 posts)
9. This has nothing to do with those who have lost everything

It has everything to do with those who have lost little or nothing, and are taking advantage of limited resources we here in Germany have offered to those who REALLY have lost everything. If you are looking at violent death upon returning to your home country, then that is the last place you would go back to on a vacation paid for by money you would otherwise use for clothing your family.

Gosh,who would guess a welfare leech is a leech.

Response to DFW (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 11:08 PM

Turin_C3PO (478 posts)
10. I can't

manage to get super angry over this. Things happen, people take advantage. I'm sure it's a super small percentage so ultimately it's probably not a huge deal.

A DUmbass dream world.

Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #10)

Tue Sep 13, 2016, 04:00 AM

DFW (21,164 posts)
11. Of course it's a small percentage. But the effect has many ripples

It both gives fuel to far right movements that otherwise wouldn't have a leg to stand on, and it gives justification for denying help to people in desperate need of it by giving those who want no refugees at all something to point to.

In THIS particular case, it gives an irrefutable argument to those who wish to deny help to all by letting them cite a specific incident with which they can lump the rest into the same basket. The disservice done by the cynical cheaters has an effect far greater than just one negative headline, run once, ranted about, and then forgotten. That is why the Swiss response did far greater good than the German inaction. I spend most of my year here in Central Europe and speak most language spoken here. I hear the vox populi, not just the headlines read on the evening news.

Eat shit and dies asshole,all you worry about is political defeat.

Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 13, 2016, 12:58 PM

DFW (21,164 posts)
13. Absolutely better optics

But it would also have cut off the air supply of the far right, instead of watering their weed garden.

Let me guess Marc,what you fear being cut off is the payoff you get from a corrupt leftist government.

[Karin]

You're right, all they care about is political wins or losses, not what this does to Germany's resources/budget.  Not to mention the horrific sexual assaults on Germany's women and girls.  It gives fuel to the other side!!!  They can't even think any other way. 

[67 Rover]

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 02:54 PM

DFW (21,164 posts)

Germany vs. Switzerland: what to do when refugees aren't?
It made the news here in Germany as well as in Switzerland that several "refugees" fleeing deadly persecution in their homeland took a vacation, which is their right. So where did some of them go? Right back to their home countries, from whence they claimed to have fled in fear of their lives. Booked the trips openly, not even bothering to disguise what they were doing. "Whaddaya gonna do about it, huh?"

This kind of thing makes my blood boil, because it fuels far-right sentiment, and makes things unfairly difficult for the hundreds of thousands of people who really did flee in fear for their lives. Germany's intention was to offer them shelter, not a free ride on the German-financed gravy train.

Switzerland had some cases of this, too and immediately canceled the vacationers' money and their right to stay in Switzerland. Germany (so far) has done exactly nothing, except refuse to censor the reports (thank goodness for small favors). Guess where sentiment for true refugees will stay intact, and where this will be used against them?

I couldn't find a link to an English language report, sorry

Hmm just like the Tsarnaev family in Boston and we remember how that worked out for us.

The brothers even went so far as to use EBT money given to them by the State of Massachusetts to buy the very supplies used to kill us and the mother was still collecting while living back in her home country.

[I_B_Perky]

DFW (21,164 posts)
11. Of course it's a small percentage. But the effect has many ripples

It both gives fuel to far right movements that otherwise wouldn't have a leg to stand on, and it gives justification for denying help to people in desperate need of it by giving those who want no refugees at all something to point to.

In THIS particular case, it gives an irrefutable argument to those who wish to deny help to all by letting them cite a specific incident with which they can lump the rest into the same basket. The disservice done by the cynical cheaters has an effect far greater than just one negative headline, run once, ranted about, and then forgotten. That is why the Swiss response did far greater good than the German inaction. I spend most of my year here in Central Europe and speak most language spoken here. I hear the vox populi, not just the headlines read on the evening news.

DFW is the DU reporter on the scene in Europe!   Talking to the vox populi.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtzoUu7w-YM[/youtube]

[Big Dog]

DFW is the DU reporter on the scene in Europe!   Talking to the vox populi.

And making sure those smelly proles appreciate his noblesse oblige.

[USA4ME]

So a bunch of poor, uneducated, foreigners know that liberals are suckers and Marc is surprised and upset. And instead of being upset that liberals are being used as suckers, he worries about how conservatives will reveal the truth about what suckers liberals are.

Marc needs to find someone with a brain and ask them to use it for him, because he has none.

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