Christine starts a fight between Warpy and some primitive of non-prominence

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028127701

Oh my.

First up, Christine, who really needs to look into the heroin crisis right there in her own front yard, Jamaica:

malaise (145,154 posts)   Sat Aug 27, 2016, 04:15 PM

Is the heroin crisis in America linked to the US occupation
 
of Afghanistan? Who is really making money from that heroin? 

NightWatcher (29,673 posts)   Sat Aug 27, 2016, 04:19 PM

1. I think it's linked to the over prescribing of opioid pain killers, leading to addiction
 
coupled with a lack of addiction treatment. When the prescriptions run out, the only outlet for their fix becomes street drugs. 

Uh oh.  Ms. Hindenburg, the defrocked warped primitive, got upset:

Warpy (89,106 posts)    Sat Aug 27, 2016, 05:00 PM

7. I think you need an education
 
In Boston in the late 708s and early 80s, 10,882 patients who had been given strong opiates in the hospital were followed up to find out how many became addicted to the drugs.

They found four. Out of nearly 11,000 people, only four went looking for the drugs when they got home.

Those are damned good odds and your post is an ignorant one. It just doesn't happen that way. 

after which a youtube, put out by some pro-legalize addictive drugs group

NightWatcher (29,673 posts)    Sat Aug 27, 2016, 05:25 PM

9. I think you need educating (sources cited)
 
I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I've heard this mentioned many times in many places.

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/mobile/article.aspx?articleid=1886185

Driven by Prescription Drug Abuse, Heroin Use Increases Among Suburban and Rural Whites

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/29/health/gupta-unintended-consequences/

Why painkiller addicts turn to heroin

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/investigations/2014/05/16/heroin-surges-kentucky-cracks-pain-pills/9123285/

Heroin surges as Kentucky cracks down on pain pills 

Warpy (89,106 posts)    Sat Aug 27, 2016, 05:49 PM

11. I am not impressed by propaganda.
 
I don't care who publishes it. It doesn't even say "patients who were prescribed opiods" it says "patients with a history of abusing prescription painkillers."

"Prescription pain killers" can come from many sources including mail order pill mills and organized crime putting out lookalike pills. It doesn't mean the person has ever had a legitimate prescription. It's also long been known that upper class drug abusers will start out on legally or (more usually) illegally obtained prescription opiates, it's one way they deny to themselves that they're drug abusers.

You made it sound that people in the hospital and taking opiates for legitimate resons were at risk for becoming addicts. You are 100% wrong. However, when you have that major surgery of your own, feel free to try to tough it out on Tylenol. I dare you.

Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong.

Watch the video.

Now, in case no one's aware, the defrocked warped primitive is a former registered nurse.

She's former because she assumed the locked drug cabinet at the hospital was her personal dispensary.

Ooops, and Ms. Hindenburg gets no help from a second fellow primitive of non-prominence:

phylny (4,128 posts)    Sat Aug 27, 2016, 07:59 PM

14. Two close friends have sons who were
 
addicted to heroin. Both started after becoming dependent on prescribed drugs. 

And then a third primitive of non-prominence jumps in the melee:

JonathanRackham (1,363 posts)    Sat Aug 27, 2016, 04:54 PM

5. Locally the opioid problem is from prescription drugs.
 
Kids steal them from parents and either sell or use them. Multiple local overdoses and three deaths this year alone amongst the high school kids.

The world has changed since I was a kid. Back then we had underage beer parties and the occasional joint, that was considered hard core.

But Ms. Hindenburg pigheadedly sticks with her "feelings," ignoring the stark facts:

Warpy (89,106 posts)    Sat Aug 27, 2016, 05:03 PM

8. Nobody with access to pure pharmaceutical drugs will risk street drugs
 
Unfortunately, there are a lot of look alike pills out there. That's why so many are starting to OD in clusters, dealers are substituting fentanyl for oxycodone and don't realize just how much more powerful the fentanyl is.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Somewhere in their twisted brains, wouldn't this excuse Rush Limbaugh for his addiction to the same opioids? 

Probably not, but a reasonable comparison for us educated folks.

[BlueStateSaint]

I can't remember the exact numbers, but my parish alone has buried more than a dozen teenagers in the past few years, that were hooked on prescription opiates and turned to much cheaper and much more easily obtainable heroin (when the scripts ran out).  It's "Suburbia's Scourge."

[Carl]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/06/12/sophisticated-smuggling-rings-supply-heroin-surge/9713909/

https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs38/38661/movement.htm

No,it is linked to an open border and a network flow of illegals.

[jtyangel]

I actally agree with warpy on this one. That's been used as an excuse thats made drs fearful to even prescribe them legitimately. Read what she said it's the abuse of the script meds not thier initial or subsequent scripts that can lead to addiction. Abuse does not mean it started with a valid properly used script...it means exactly what it says..either the person used more than prescribed or obtained a legal drug illegally. That's on the shoulders of the abuser not the medication. It's actually one moment where warpy gets super close to assigning the idea of personal responsibility to someone I this case addicts and drug abusers. As per usual the primitives prefer instead to blame thier favorite boogeyman ie the US or an inanimate object in this case pills or any dr who prescribed pain pills even when thier use was legitimate and the script was for a responsible amount. Other primitives are basically saying they should never be prescribed becuase the idiot taking them might take more than scripted. It's another way for the irresponsible to dodge the consequences of thier own choices.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

First up, Christine, who really needs to look into the heroin crisis right there in her own front yard, Jamaica

Oh Frank.

I think we both know that if there is a drug problem, or any other type of problem, in Jamaica it's because America caused it.

[SVPete]

Oh Frank.

I think we both know that if there is a drug problem, or any other type of problem, in Jamaica it's because America caused it.

H-5! "mal" is of that special sort of America-Hater that will twist, pretzellate, and fabricate facts to blame the US for anything and everything "bad" on this planet. Figuring out how to blame the US for Krakatoa, the destruction of Pompeii & Herculaneum, and the extinction of the dinosaurs are probably her long-term projects (and if she's 60-something, she'd better get a move on!).