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Holy war: Government tries to control church sermons
« on: August 10, 2016, 02:05:54 AM »
Who didn't see this coming? :argh:

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An Iowa church just wants to be free to preach the gospel, but the state’s so-called nondiscrimination requirements could block the house of worship from doing just that.

Lawyers for the church are asking a federal court to prevent Iowa from censoring what the religious group can say about homosexuality, same-sex “marriage,” transgenderism and other related topics.

The case erupted when the state’s Civil Rights Commission first claimed the authority to control the content of sermons and then to define what’s religious.

At issue is the state’s nondiscrimination requirements that specify any “public accommodation” can be ordered not to say anything that might make a homosexual or a transgender feel “unwelcome,” such as even reading from the Bible a condemnation of such behavior.

Lawyers for the Alliance Defending Freedom, who are representing the church, have filed a reply in support of their motion for a preliminary injunction that would protect the church members’ constitutional rights while the case plays out.


Without that order, they contend the speech of the Fort Des Moines Church of Christ and its pastors and members is being unconstitutionally limited.

The state commission declined, again, to respond to a WND request for comment.


http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/holy-war-government-tries-to-control-church-sermons/


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Re: Holy war: Government tries to control church sermons
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2016, 06:22:08 AM »
Previous thread on this story.

Here the Alliance Defending Freedom's article on this (partial quote):

ADF attorneys dismantle Iowa commission’s defense of church speech ban
Created by ADF Aug, 09, 2016
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DES MOINES, Iowa – Alliance Defending Freedom attorneys representing an Iowa church filed a brief Monday in federal court that exposes deficiencies in the Iowa Civil Rights Commission’s arguments against suspending a law that censors and attempts to control churches. The commission’s application of the law censors the church’s teaching on biblical sexuality and forces the church to open its restrooms and showers to members of the opposite sex under certain conditions that the government dictates.

Last month, ADF attorneys filed a motion to temporarily suspend application of the law while the case moves forward in court and explained that recent changes to a public accommodations brochure the commission produced are insufficient to alleviate the concerns raised in the church’s lawsuit. The commission responded by doubling down on its extraconstitutional claim that it has the power to apply the law to churches and determine whether their activities are religious or not. It specifically analogized churches to for-profit businesses, seeming to miss the obvious constitutional differences between the two.

“Churches should be free to communicate their religious beliefs and operate their houses of worship according to their faith without fearing government punishment,” said ADF Legal Counsel Christiana Holcomb. “It’s not good enough for government officials to say we should simply trust them to tell us what is religious and what isn’t. The law must be clear, and at present, the only thing that’s clear is that the law gives too much power to government bureaucrats who don’t even seem to understand the most basic constitutional principles.”

“In the meantime, the court should issue an injunction that makes certain that this law won’t be enforced against our client while this lawsuit proceeds,” added ADF Senior Counsel Steven O’Ban. ...
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Re: Holy war: Government tries to control church sermons
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2016, 07:28:26 AM »
Let's recall just who said "religion has to change" . . .

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417448/

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Re: Holy war: Government tries to control church sermons
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2016, 06:51:32 PM »
Separation of church and state.
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Re: Holy war: Government tries to control church sermons
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2016, 12:57:33 AM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on August 10, 2016, 06:51:32 PM
Separation of church and state.

Great argument except (the above phrase) doesn't exist. :hammer:
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Re: Holy war: Government tries to control church sermons
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2016, 09:42:20 AM »
Quote from: mrclose on August 11, 2016, 12:57:33 AM
Great argument except (the above phrase) doesn't exist. :hammer:

In the minds of liberals, it does. They only recognize their own arguments, so, might as well use them.
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Re: Holy war: Government tries to control church sermons
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2016, 12:27:02 PM »
Where is the aclu on this matter?
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Re: Holy war: Government tries to control church sermons
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2016, 09:53:01 PM »
Take this as a warning. If Hillary gets power, freedom as we know it is OVER.
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Re: Holy war: Government tries to control church sermons
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2016, 04:03:22 AM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on August 11, 2016, 09:53:01 PM
Take this as a warning. If Hillary gets power, freedom as we know it is OVER.

And to think that some of the members of this board think that she'd be BETTER than Trump.  Trump would defend Christianity and Judaism.  HilLIARy sees them as obstacles to her.
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Re: Holy war: Government tries to control church sermons
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2016, 11:00:42 AM »
Quote from: DLR Pyro on August 11, 2016, 12:27:02 PM
Where is the aclu on this matter?

Probably cheering and preparing an Amicus brief supporting the Iowa Civil Rights Commission.
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