New Jury Rules

[USA4ME]

This is not all of the post. First half is Skins reminding the primitives of the board rules that currently exist.

Then this:

Skinner

The Jury System: What's staying the same and what's changing

Next, we have made technical changes to the Jury process, implementing various improvements that people have requested over the past five years, and adding a few of our own. We also ditched a number of things that we felt were not working. With all of these changes our focus was on looking for ways to increase civility, set clear expectations, and reduce forum drama and meta-discussion.

Serving on Juries should be as straightforward as it was before -- in fact, we've streamlined the process to make it even simpler. You do not need to know all of the technical details below in order to serve on Juries -- they are provided merely for people who are interested in exactly what changes are taking place. Please note that we're tried to make the list below as comprehensive as possible, but it's possible that there may be further changes or additions as we go forward.

What's staying the same
 
•The software will seat a Jury by calling seven randomly-selected eligible members.

•Jury service is optional; members have five minutes to decide if they want to serve as a Juror.

•Jurors will be given a maximum of 30 minutes to evaluate whether a post is acceptable or not.

•Jury results will be decided by majority rule.

•Posts deemed acceptable by Juries will be left alone; posts deemed unacceptable will be hidden.

•Jurors won't be asked to serve again for at least 18 hours (unless the site is really busy).

•If a Jury votes unanimously that a post is acceptable, the alerter will not be able to alert again for 24 hours.

•If your post is removed, you will be notified.

•There are still certain triggers that will flag your account for review, and we are adding some new ones to put the brakes on people who repeatedly break our rules. When flagged for review you will not be able to post or use other site functions. (This is a stop-gap measure: We have a number of changes planned in this area that we aren't ready to implement yet; we'll have more to say about this at a later date.)

What's changing

•The privilege to serve on a Jury is now only offered to members who have been registered for at least one year, have more than 1,000 posts, and have an active Star membership.

•Alerters will no longer be asked to provide an explanation for their alert. Instead they will be presented with a short list of rules written by the Administrators and asked to select which rule they believe the post breaks.

•Jurors will no longer be asked to evaluate the post based on the alerter's comments and their own gut feeling. Instead they will be asked whether they believe the post breaks the specific rule selected by the alerter.

•Jurors will no longer evaluate posts in-thread. Instead they'll be taken to a separate page. On this page only the portion of the thread relevant to the alerted post will be displayed (or just the OP if the OP was the alerted post), and usernames and other identifying information will be removed.

•The Jury system still forbids "double jeopardy," but posts which were alerted for a particular rule and survived a Jury can now be re-alerted for a different rule.

•Previously Jurors had two options: "Hide it" or "Leave it alone." Now Jurors have four options: "It clearly breaks the rule"; "Close call, but it breaks the rule"; "It doesn't quite break the rule"; and "It clearly doesn't break the rule."

•Jurors will no longer be able to provide comments.

•Alerters and Jurors will no longer receive notifications after Jury service is complete.

•You will not be able to peek at other members' hidden posts. Only the author of the post can check the text of a removed post.

•You will be able to officially appeal if a Jury removes your post. We have built in an appeals system that allows members to send an appeal directly to Admin. Admin will review the post and provide a final ruling. If your appeal is convincing, the post will be reinstated.

•The Admins may also step in from time to time and remove a post if we think a Jury blew it and allowed a rule violation to stand.

•If you can't bring yourself to enforce a particular rule when serving on a Jury, you can object to that rule and you'll never be asked to serve on a Jury for that rule again. The Admins will keep a tally of objections which will give us useful feedback about the rules.

•Transparency pages are going away, since they only seemed to serve to create forum drama. (They may be replaced with something else at a later date.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10136548

So he's taken away from them the option of comments since they can't handle it, and juries are only for star members so the free-loaders are out of luck.

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[Big Dog]

So he's taken away from them the option of comments since they can't handle it, and juries are only for star members so the free-loaders are out of luck.

Star-bellied DUmmies are special that way. It creates an incentive for the little pishers to line Skins's pocket.

Pay to play, it's the Hillary way.

[thundley4]

The privilege to serve on a Jury is now only offered to members who have been registered for at least one year, have more than 1,000 posts, and have an active Star membership.

Pay me or you can't participate on a jury. Does Skinner know that most long time moles are star members? 

[Carl]

•The Admins may also step in from time to time and remove a post if we think a Jury blew it and allowed a rule violation to stand.

Bow before your rulers!

[Carl]

A couple other "rules".

No bigotry/insensitivity
Members are expected to respect diversity and demonstrate an appropriate level of sensitivity when discussing related topics. Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, or other forms of bigoted intolerance are not permitted.

Why we have this rule: Democratic Underground is a diverse community which includes people of every race, sex, religious belief (or lack thereof), sexual orientation, gender identity, body type, disability, age, etc. We want to promote a welcoming atmosphere for all of our members, and do not want to provide a platform for bigotry.

Christianity is still fair game of course.

No kooky, extremist, or hate content
Do not promote ridiculous, bigoted, or extreme-fringe conspiracy theories. Do not promote extreme fringe views. Do not reference hate sites or other extremist/fringe sources.

Why we have this rule: Democrats are supposed to be part of the "reality-based community." Some amount of skepticism toward powerful institutions is healthy and appropriate, but that doesn't mean every paranoid fantasy is true. Posts about mass shootings being "false flag" operations, 9/11 being a controlled demolition, no airplane at the Pentagon, chemtrails, black helicopters, the Illuminati, or other nonsense make us all look like fools. This website may have the word "underground" in our name, but we are not extreme fringe.

 

[GOBUCKS]

The privilege to serve on a Jury is now only offered to members who have been registered for at least one year, have more than 1,000 posts, and have an active Star membership.

This is the equivalent of making Crazy Bernie's bullies crawl.

If they want to be cool and serve on juries to slash at Hillbots, they have to give Skimmer money.

Only paid up DUmmies on juries. How long before they start bitching about "elite" juries.

Anyone with a vested interest in anything is called "elite" by the proudly ignorant masses these days.

[FaC]

Posts about mass shootings being "false flag" operations, 9/11 being a controlled demolition, no airplane at the Pentagon, chemtrails, black helicopters, the Illuminati, or other nonsense make us all look like fools.

Most of your posts make you look like fools. These types of posts only reinforce the point...

[CollectivismMustDie]

Hah.

Gofundme juries.


CMD

[USA4ME]

Currently, the primitives can block people from serving on juries involving their posts. Not star get maybe 5 individuals they can name, and star members get either 50 or maybe it's unlimited. I wonder if that option is going away? If he mentioned it, I sure missed it.

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[DumbAss Tanker]

Some possible unintended consequences on the paid membership levels, not that $kins is so dependent on those now, with all that Krispy Klinton Ka$h in the bank.

[landofconfusion80]

I like it. Maybe make trial juries the same way. If you can't afford to pay the fee, you don't decide guilt or innocence

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[Ralph Wiggum]

DUmmies simply require safe spaces, free from any perceived slight/snub/micro-aggression.

[thundley4]

I like it. Maybe make trial juries the same way. If you can't afford to pay the fee, you don't decide guilt or innocence

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Just make it being a net tax payer is enough. We should do the same for voting. 

[I_B_Perky]

This is not all of the post. First half is Skins reminding the primitives of the board rules that currently exist.

Then this:

So he's taken away from them the option of comments since they can't handle it, and juries are only for star members so the free-loading  berniebots are out of luck.

Fixed that for ya!   

Skinner is trying to thread the needle here.  He wants to support his hillary meal ticket and he also wants to keep his site up and running.  For that he needs donations.  He has pretty much challenged the bernie bots to start putting their money where their mouth is.  The question is will they?   

Guess we will find out.

[docstew]

So, now, the jury is LITERALLY a "star chamber"...

[DumbAss Tanker]

So, now, the jury is LITERALLY a "star chamber"...

H5 for the Camera Stellata reference!

 

[freedumb2003b]

TR: "Toe the skinner party line or we will release your home address and you and your family will be bludgeoned to death."

[Ptarmigan]

So, now, the jury is LITERALLY a "star chamber"...

I thought DU was already an echo chamber. No?

[USA4ME]

All in all, good move by Skins. The board will get the reputation in liberal internet circles as unfriendly towards the far left kooks that even normal far left kooks consider to be kooks, so he'll just get the far left kooks at his site. And they'll pay to play. It's our money via tax confiscation, but they have it, and they'll hand it over to Skins.

They'll still moan and complain the whole time and want their freebies from sugar daddy gov't, but Skins can temporarily wrest control of his site. But as long as you have libs you're automatically going to attract riff-raff that think they're the cream of the crop, so there will eventually be problems again down the road.

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[RWKindaGuy]

Does the fact that you have to "pay" to vote constitute a "poll tax?"