DU Double Standard Oh Noes!!11!!

[zeitgeist]

Warpy gets heaping helping of Humble Pie on this one:


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A light weight poster asks an innocent question:

Matrosov (649 posts)

Why the double standard with Abrahamic religion?

Criticize Christianity.. that's considered enlightened progressiveness.

Criticize Judaism.. that's considered enlightened progressiveness.

Criticize Islam.. GET THE **** OUT OF HERE YOU RACIST ISLAMOPHOBIC KNUCKLE-DRAGGING RIGHTWINGER!!!

We have no problem blaming Judaism when Jewish extremists attack and kill Palestinians. We have no problem blaming Christianity when Christian extremists shoot up or blow up abortion clinics. But when Islamic extremists kill people in Paris, San Bernardino, or Brussels? Nope, it has nothing to do with Islam, the religion of peace, and if you dare suggest otherwise then GET THE **** OUT OF HERE YOU RACIST ISLAMOPHOBIC KNUCKLE-DRAGGING RIGHTWINGER!!!

Why? Because of conservatives? We should base our approach on reason, and if we value constructive criticism of one belief system that involves an imaginary friend in the sky, we should value constructive criticism of ALL belief systems that involve imaginary friends in the sky, especially when their followers think their imaginary friends instruct them to kill. Regardless of what conservatives think about any specific such system.

If conservatives magically embraced Islam and began preaching against Christianity and Judaism, would that be a logical reason for us to suddenly allow criticism of Islam but flip out whenever someone criticized Christianity or Judaism? Nope. No belief system that encourages its followers to fight the unbelievers or discriminate against people based on their gender or sexual orientation - things all Abrahamic religions do - should be exempt from criticism.
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Now I don't know if this might be a mole or troll but the question is certainly a valid one to ask albeit probably not in the land of heathens, haters, and hypocrites.

Star Member Nye Bevan (23,469 posts)
1. Because

(1) people here are terrified about being perceived as Islamophobic,
(2) they are reluctant to agree with the Republicans about anything, and
(3) they mistakenly believe that criticizing Islamic fundamentalism is tantamount to arguing in favor of US military action in the Middle East.

That's why in many DU threads about Islamic atrocities there will be replies along the lines of "yes, but the Christian fundies are just as bad / would do that here if they could" etc.

opps missed a set of quote blocks first time through...

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #1)Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:34 PM
Warpy (86,893 posts)
6. and (4) They know Muslims as neighbors and coworkers and like them

and that means the Islamophobes are full of shit and should be called out.

This is the kind of hysterical, fear-driven garbage that led to the wholesale internment of Japanese citizens in WWII.

This gets the ball rolling so to speak. 

Nichevo11 (8 posts)
95. I see nothing hysterical in that post.

Please point out what's hysterical about criticizing a religion that demands a mixing of government and religion, demands that males and females live under different laws, and is stuck pretty much where Christianity was during th Dark Ages?

By the way, I married a Muslim.   WARPY TAKE NOTE!!  <- 

I'll bet I have more Muslim friends, acquaintances, and relatives than most people here.

I look forward to the day when Islam evolves out of its current widespread horrors, as the other two religions pretty much have (their lunatic fringes notwithstanding).

I concede that we outsiders often do more harm than good, with our wacky talk of, gasp!, gender equality and gay rights and protection for religious dissenters and apostates.

But yes: it is quite okay to criticize Islam. And you can do it while loving plenty of Muslims.

Warpy now begins to fight a brief rear guard action.

Response to Nichevo11 (Reply #95)Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:53 AM
Warpy (86,893 posts)
104. "Some of my best friends are?"

And her rear is quite obviously exposed when you are reading deficient or lack comprehension skills...

There are no end of apologists,  Some with questionable math skills:

Binkie The Clown (1,790 posts)
49. It's totally unfair to criticize the 1.6 billion Muslims for the actions of

the mere 160,000 or so extremists. (Best estimates put the extremists at about 10% of Muslims)

But that doesn't mean we should ignore those 160,000 extremists who really do want to see Western civilization destroyed.

Soon corrected by the best and brightest.

FreedomRain (357 posts)
54. 10% of 1.6B is 160M not 160K

and is an outrageously high best estimate, I can only hope.

I lived in Jordan for 2 years and as far as I knew I never met a single extremist.

I began this a few hours ago, this was the last post then:

Democat (10,070 posts)
107. Don't exect many DUers to have a rational response

Many spend their time attacking Christians and defending other religions.

They do it because they think it makes them sound like better people.

I just went back.  The thread has since blossomed into full blown DU nuttery.  Lots more great posts bashing Christianity, and just in time for Easter!  Way to go DU.

[franksolich]

Well, as we all know, Ms. Hindenberg, the defrocked warped primitive, inherited the gender of her mother but unfortunately the body bulk of her father, including his facial hair, and so as to not attract attention to her sheer ugliness (in soul as well as body), she's compelled to wear a burqa when out in public.

And so naturally she'd be more sympathetic to the culture where that's done.

[CollectivismMustDie]

Binkie The Clown (1,790 posts)
49. It's totally unfair to criticize the 1.6 billion Muslims for the actions of

the mere 160,000 or so extremists.

Cut the shit (D)Ummie, You retards do it daily with gun owning Americans.


Eat njcher stew and die.




CMD

[Zathras]

These idiots have it backwards. The mainstream Muslims are the ones blowing shit up and calling for Jihad against the infidels in the name of Allah. The radicals are the ones willing to live in peace and harmony in this world.

[SVPete]

These idiots have it backwards. The mainstream Muslims are the ones blowing shit up and calling for Jihad against the infidels in the name of Allah. The radicals are the ones willing to live in peace and harmony in this world.

Good point, Z. The ones "blowing shit up and calling for Jihad against the infidels in the name of Allah" are the Muslims most faithful to the Qur'an.

If it weren't for double-standards DU would have no standards at all.

Matrosov (649 posts)

Why the double standard with Abrahamic religion?

Well, your brush is a little too broad. DU-folk don't mind nominal "Christians" and "Jews" who don't believe in much of anything. That said, to some degree, most Libs & Pros dislike theologically conservative Christians and observant Jews; many/most DU-folk HATE theologically conservative Christians and observant Jews, though not necessarily as virulently as TMN (who seems likely to find that the Master is less than impressed by him).

As for Muslims - violent and non-violent - it's as the old saying goes, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." IOW, theologically conservative Christians and conservative & R pols recognize as their enemy violent Muslims, therefore DU-folk sympathize or minimize or excuse what violent Muslims have done.

[98ZJUSMC]

Warpy (86,893 posts)

(......)
This is the kind of hysterical, fear-driven garbage that led to the wholesale internment of Japanese citizens in WWII.

Franklin Delano Bush, right?  ...and his Supreme Court of packed progressives?

I wish you a painful, screaming death. **** you, retards.

[98ZJUSMC]

Binkie The Clown (1,790 posts)
49. It's totally unfair to criticize the 1.6 billion Muslims for the actions of

the mere 160,000 or so extremists.

Cut the shit (D)Ummie, You retards do it daily with gun owning Americans.


Eat njcher stew and die.




CMD

       !!!!

Exactly!

God help me,  I so hate these micro organisms.

[SVPete]

Franklin Delano Bush, right?  ...and his Supreme Court of packed progressives?

I wish you a painful, screaming death. **** you, retards.

Yet another DU double-standard. While many fewer, FDR also interned many Italians. And then there's the "hysterical, fear-driven garbage" underlying the violence against Germans during WW1.

[Carl]

That thread is a monument to the sickening evil that the left is.

It is not just hypocrisy and a double standard regarding religious belief but their entire proclaimed care for all.
The truth is that they would happily stand by silently while 100s of millions of all ethnic and racial backgrounds were slaughtered if it meant that dollars spent on US defense were given to them instead..

[98ZJUSMC]

Yet another DU double-standard. While many fewer, FDR also interned many Italians. And then there's the "hysterical, fear-driven garbage" underlying the violence against Germans during WW1.

It's like they re-write, what little history they understand, as they go.  Positively mind-blowing.

Democat (10,070 posts)
107. Don't e(p)xect many DUers to have a rational response

Many spend their time attacking Christians and defending other religions.

They do it because they think it makes them sound like better people

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Cruisin' for a pizza?    Cognizance, of that sort, is not tolerated.

[Ptarmigan]

Yet another DU double-standard. While many fewer, FDR also interned many Italians. And then there's the "hysterical, fear-driven garbage" underlying the violence against Germans during WW1.

World War I occurred under Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat who was a Progressive and hard core racist.

[98ZJUSMC]

That thread is a monument to the sickening evil that the left is.

   Perfect example.

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

" and (4) They know Muslims as neighbors and coworkers and like them

and that means the Islamophobes are full of shit and should be called out."
Yet apparently they don't know Christians or Jews in those capacities?
Holy hypocrisy in action, Batman!
Nichevo11 made an excellent point: Islam now is roughly where Christianity and Judaism were 500 years ago in terms of things like how they treat women and people of other faiths.
Christianity and Judaism have evolved enough over the millennia that they can easily adapt to modern society (Other than a couple lunatic fringe groups) while still remaining true to the core tenets of their faith. Islam has done the exact opposite, instead demanding that the rest of the civilized world bend over backwards to acommodate them and their outdated, often dangerous belief sets out of fear of being accused of racism if they don't.

[BlueStateSaint]

" and (4) They know Muslims as neighbors and coworkers and like them

and that means the Islamophobes are full of shit and should be called out."
Yet apparently they don't know Christians or Jews in those capacities?
Holy hypocrisy in action, Batman!
Nichevo11 made an excellent point: Islam now is roughly where Christianity and Judaism were 500 years ago in terms of things like how they treat women and people of other faiths.
Christianity and Judaism have evolved enough over the millennia that they can easily adapt to modern society (Other than a couple lunatic fringe groups) while still remaining true to the core tenets of their faith. Islam has done the exact opposite, instead demanding that the rest of the civilized world bend over backwards to acommodate them and their outdated, often dangerous belief sets out of fear of being accused of racism if they don't.

Target!  H5!

[SVPete]

" and (4) They know Muslims as neighbors and coworkers and like them

and that means the Islamophobes are full of shit and should be called out."
Yet apparently they don't know Christians or Jews in those capacities?
Holy hypocrisy in action, Batman!
Nichevo11 made an excellent point: Islam now is roughly where Christianity and Judaism were 500 years ago in terms of things like how they treat women and people of other faiths.
Christianity and Judaism have evolved enough over the millennia that they can easily adapt to modern society (Other than a couple lunatic fringe groups) while still remaining true to the core tenets of their faith. Islam has done the exact opposite, instead demanding that the rest of the civilized world bend over backwards to acommodate them and their outdated, often dangerous belief sets out of fear of being accused of racism if they don't.

Yet another DU double-standard! DU-folk see peaceful Muslim neighbors & coworkers and realize not all Muslims are bomb-tossing terrorists. Brilliant! They have a grasp on something grossly obvious! DU-folk see vastly more law-abiding Christian and Jewish neighbors & coworkers, but equate them with idiots like the Phelpsians or "Army of God" murderous idiots. Double-standards like that are rooted in hatred rather than reality, and that separation from reality empowers wild fantasies of hatred (e.g. TMN's posts).

Amplifying your latter point a bit, Christians started in the 16th Century returning to what Scripture teaches regarding matters such as how other religions should be treated. It hasn't been an instantaneous return. Ironically, Jihadi Muslims are a return to Quranic teaching regarding the same matters. The irony lies in the fact that Christianity's and Islam's teachings in those areas are near-opposite, something DU-folks' ideology requires they deny. I think some DU-folk would deny that opposite-ness as their heads were being hacked off.