our good friend BainsBane has noticed it herself

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110767095

Oh my.

Fla Dem (4,646 posts)   Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:16 AM

Michael Tomasky: "Sanders is a punish-the-malefactors type, and Clinton is a fix-the-problem type."
 
Pragmatic Hillary Tops Thundering Bernie

Bernie Sanders’s moral thunder sounds impressive on the stump or in a debate, but while Hillary may be outmatched oratorically, her solutions do look more like, well, solutions.

It was never clearer than at Sunday night’s debate, especially during the opening discussion about the Flint water crisis, what the real difference is between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

There are two kinds of political people in this world. First, there are those who see injustice and who hunger chiefly to see the malefactors punished. And second, there are those who hunger mainly to see the injustice corrected. Now obviously, those in the former group want to see the wrongs righted, and those in the latter group wish to see the perpetrators brought to heel. But when you strip away all the layers of the onion and get to the core emotional motivation, most people are first concerned with one or the other.

Sanders is a punish-the-malefactors type, and Clinton is a fix-the-problem type. This smacked me in the forehead when they were discussing the fate of Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder. Sanders thundered, as he always does, that Snyder should leave office: “One of the points that I have made is that I believe the governor of this state should understand that his dereliction of duty was irresponsible. He should resign.” Huge applause. Then in his next breath, he expanded the argument out to income inequality, the “proliferation of millionaires and billionaires,” and so on.

Then came Clinton’s turn. She had not joined in the call for Snyder’s scalp, but now she did. But look how quickly she pivoted away: “I agree, the governor should resign, or be recalled … support the efforts of citizens attempting to achieve that. But that is not enough. We have to focus on what must be done to help the people of Flint.”

So there you have it. The difference was so stark. And it explains a lot.

Sanders doesn’t care much about solutions. His prescriptions for Flint, based on his public pronouncements on the matter, more or less amount to: The governor must resign, and then, well, something will happen. I’m not sure what, exactly, given that Snyder would be replaced by another pretty conservative Republican, Lt. Gov. Brian Calley. When Sanders visited Flint in late February, a Politico reporter quoted lots of Sanders moral thunder but then observed, “At one point, when an audience member asked him what he would do as president to help, he demurred and asked what the locals wanted from him.”

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The perfect candidate would be a cross between the two. But human beings aren’t usually good at two opposing things. I can see why people are drawn to the moral-thunder candidate, but they in turn ought to be able to see why some other people—people who are shaping up to be the majority, as it happens—are drawn to the let’s-figure-this-out candidate. It’s less about ideology and more about temperament than most people would prefer to admit. And one thing’s for sure: Outrage certainly isn’t morally superior to rolling up one’s sleeves. If anything, the opposite is true.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/07/pragmatic-hillary-tops-thundering-bernie.html 

Rose Siding (31,063 posts)    Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:44 AM

3. That is such a good article - thanks!
 
And one thing’s for sure: Outrage certainly isn’t morally superior to rolling up one’s sleeves.

pandr32 (891 posts)    Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:18 AM

6. I love that HC wants to roll up her sleeves and work WITH us all!

BainsBane (35,487 posts)    Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:36 PM
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12. I've noticed this myself

[67 Rover]

BainsBane (35,487 posts)    Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:36 PM
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12. I've noticed this myself

Juggalo is back! 

[Big Dog]

Bernie Sanders’s moral thunder sounds impressive

That's not thunder.

[98ZJUSMC]

Sanders is a punish-the-malefactors type, and Clinton is a fix-the-problem type.

   God, you people are so f*cking stupid and Tomasky is the head idiot.

 

[Skul]

Talk to the Juggs!  ..

[Karin]

I agree with Tomasky that Bernie is a punish-the-malefactors type.  That's why the DUmmies love him.  That worldview is vindictive, small-minded, and short-sided.  What does the punishment actually accomplish, besides making an evil person feel good?  Get rid of Snyder, then what?  It's the first thing that came to Methuseleh's mind. 

Reminds me of a president of a company I once knew.  If the sky wasn't blue enough, he'd fire someone just for the fun of it.  Never made the sky bluer.  Eventually, the dude was fired himself. 

[FlaGator]

I agree with Tomasky that Bernie is a punish-the-malefactors type.  That's why the DUmmies love him.  That worldview is vindictive, small-minded, and short-sided.  What does the punishment actually accomplish, besides making an evil person feel good?  Get rid of Snyder, then what?  It's the first thing that came to Methuseleh's mind. 

Reminds me of a president of a company I once knew.  If the sky wasn't blue enough, he'd fire someone just for the fun of it.  Never made the sky bluer.  Eventually, the dude was fired himself.

Hillary seem to be the "how can I use this situation to increase my wealth" type.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Hillary seem to be the "how can I use this situation to increase my wealth" type.

Hitlary does need to figure out how she can use a situation to increase her wealth.

Situations come knocking on her door.

[jukin]

"fix the problem" = Lie, cheat, steal, and lie for power.