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BostonBob (18 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511352300Why I will never vote for HillaryRead Matt Taibbi's Rolling Stone article where he describes Goldman Sachs as "a great vampire squid on the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming it's blood funnel into anything that smells like money." Then watch "Inside Job" which won the 2010 Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature. You will see how corrupt financial institutions and corrupt politicians are responsible for the biggest heist in history. The bailouts forced on taxpayers are theft the same as if someone picked my pocket or stole my car or robbed my house. Bill Clinton enabled this theft of our money by deregulating in the late 90's. Yes and one minute Bill and Hillary are a power couple and Hillary is a savvy player and knows all the elite movers and shakers. The next minute it's don't blame poor little old me for what Bill did because that's sexist. Fine, but after Bill enables the theft, both Bill and Hillary cash in by taking millions from the same banksters who so completely ripped off and screwed over the American public. On foreign policy Hillary voted for the Iraq war that removed Hussien and destabilized Iraq. She then pushed to remove Qaddafi which destabilized Libya. Now she wants to remove Assad from Syria. What is left after all this regime change is horrific violence, chaos and ISIS. If the trillions spent on these wars isn't enough, she brags of being an enemy of the Iranians and compares Putin to Hitler so she can try to get us back into the Cold War with Russia. I hated when Bush and Cheney ran a neocon foreign policy like this but I'm supposed to accept it from her? After all the damage done by the Clintons, I am supposed to help Hillary beat Bernie by reinforcing her dubious electability argument? That's what the pledge to support either nominee is about. Let me be clear - there is no way in Holy Hell I will vote for her. If you really want to be a good democrat and avoid Trump, vote for Bernie.
Star Member Dustlawyer (5,693 posts) 42. I wish the Clinton supporters would realize this, but that is too much to hope for.Most of their minds are closed to the corruption issue that their candidate is the epitome of! We are well and truly screwed if Bernie doesn't make it. 4 more years of the financial elites running this country will put all of us in the poor house. Climate Change will be ignored and kicked down the road virtually eliminating our chance to lead the world back from the brink. We are playing with forces we don't completely understand, but every estimate of the Climate Change problem is always too low. We have wars over limited oil, now we can add water and food, it's going to get really ugly real soon. Hillary will help the rich continue to make obscene profits at our expense, and that of the world's population. A global Have's vs. Have Not's!
dpatbrown (324 posts) 36. Dangerous territoryClinton supporters are in dangerous territory. I remember it happening in 68. True progressives stayed home rather than voting for a phony. Many, many can't stand Clinton, regardless of her party affiliation.
40RatRod (105 posts) 25. Sounds like someone has been watching the Fair and Balanced station.
valerief (51,725 posts) 23. Bill Clinton AND the Contract On America Congress headed by Newt Gingrich.We need a legit Congress as well as a legit president. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1995/03/beyond-contract QuoteObviously, cutting federal benefits to the poor, blind, and disabled is not what most Americans had in mind when they turned over control of Congress to the GOP. But that is what the Republicans have in store. All of the above programs would have to be radically reduced just to give the Republicans a chance of living up to their promises to cut taxes, increase defense spending, and balance the budget."The items in the contract had to be doable, and they had to be things that would have resonance with the American people," says Rep. Bill Paxon, who is chair of the National Republican Congressional Committee. "That's why school prayer and other items were left out. Teams put the proposed legislation together, but Newt made the decisions." Gingrich wanted to propose an agenda guaranteed to succeed. That's why, as Paxon points out, the most interesting items in the contract are the ones that are missing: school prayer; a constitutional amendment banning abortion; a federal version of California's Proposition 187; vouchers for home schooling or parochial schools; a flat tax; repealing affirmative action; gutting the Brady Law and the ban on assault weapons; not reauthorizing the Safe Drinking Water Act, Superfund program, Clean Air Act, and Americans with Disabilities Act. Yet these missing items are the Republicans' real agenda, the ones they will test after the House finishes its jaunt through the political miniature golf course of the Contract with America. President Clinton will surely veto some socially regressive legislation. But if Republicans hold onto Congress and elect a president in 1996, these missing items will immediately rise to the top of America's governing agenda--and most of the laws Democrats have fought to enact since the days of John Kennedy could vanish or be greatly scaled back.
Obviously, cutting federal benefits to the poor, blind, and disabled is not what most Americans had in mind when they turned over control of Congress to the GOP. But that is what the Republicans have in store. All of the above programs would have to be radically reduced just to give the Republicans a chance of living up to their promises to cut taxes, increase defense spending, and balance the budget."The items in the contract had to be doable, and they had to be things that would have resonance with the American people," says Rep. Bill Paxon, who is chair of the National Republican Congressional Committee. "That's why school prayer and other items were left out. Teams put the proposed legislation together, but Newt made the decisions." Gingrich wanted to propose an agenda guaranteed to succeed. That's why, as Paxon points out, the most interesting items in the contract are the ones that are missing: school prayer; a constitutional amendment banning abortion; a federal version of California's Proposition 187; vouchers for home schooling or parochial schools; a flat tax; repealing affirmative action; gutting the Brady Law and the ban on assault weapons; not reauthorizing the Safe Drinking Water Act, Superfund program, Clean Air Act, and Americans with Disabilities Act. Yet these missing items are the Republicans' real agenda, the ones they will test after the House finishes its jaunt through the political miniature golf course of the Contract with America. President Clinton will surely veto some socially regressive legislation. But if Republicans hold onto Congress and elect a president in 1996, these missing items will immediately rise to the top of America's governing agenda--and most of the laws Democrats have fought to enact since the days of John Kennedy could vanish or be greatly scaled back.
Godhumor (5,022 posts) 34. So many February join dates in this threadJust an observation.
Buzz Clik (34,360 posts) 38. Blah blah blah.The never-ending sandernista mantra that all money is bad money. So damned tiresome, particularly considering that Bernie has been indirectly tapping some of the same funds. But, he's SO pure and good.
hamsterjill (6,387 posts) 65. That is your right.But IF she gets the nomination and then is defeated by a Republican, please do us the courtesy of NOT coming to a DEMOCRATIC website to bitch when The Donald puts us in a war or does some other destructive act. Don't bitch when Ted Cruz makes it okay to discriminate against LGBT persons, and by all means, don't bitch when Marco Rubio forces your sister, or some other female member of your family to bear the child of her rapist.
still_one (41,368 posts) 67. Anyone who doesn't vote for the Democratic nominee in the GE is neither a Democrat or a progressive. Both Democratic candidates WILL vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, because THEY actually have critical thinking skills, and realize that this is the most important election in most people's lifetime. However, the Taibbi's excerpt, which doesn't have any links to it, leaves open if he will vote for the eventual Democratic nominee or not. That is NOT made clear. I have no doubt he won't vote for her in the primary, but if he also won't vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election if Hillary is the nominee, than this would be my response to Mr Taibbi: http://thedailybanter.com/2016/02/sabotage-vote-for-bernie-sanders-idiots/
If Trump becomes the Republican nominee it will be very entertaining when he starts insisting that the clintons give an accounting for all the money the clinton foundation gets and where it all goes. The progs just assume that it's all going to worthy causes never thinking that it's not actually going anywhere useful.
Buzz Clik (34,360 posts)38. Blah blah blah.The never-ending sandernista mantra that all money is bad money.So damned tiresome, particularly considering that Bernie has been indirectly tapping some of the same funds.
So did the newb get his pizza? I mean a post like that with only eighteen posts.
