Purveyor (26,996 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141361224
Feds Release More Clinton Emails On Eve Of South Carolina Primary
Old news. Time to move on.
Did you see where a Marine Vet with two tours in Afghanistan was booed and strong armed out of a event with Bill Clinton when he asked about Benghazi? Yup- the Democrat crowd booed a service member and shouted him down before security removed the man from the hall! Too bad for Hillary it's on video. Fox was playing it this morning.
peacebird (12,986 posts)
1. 22 top secret ? If it was any normal cleared person, they would be in jail.
oh, all right... we'll take about e-mails...
The vast majority of those classified emails were listed at the lowest level, that of “confidential,†but nearly two dozen were classified as “secret†and another 22 were deemed “top secret†— the highest level of classification.
that lowest level is still classified, btw. all of that is a crime. every single one.
biggayblacktakeitinthaassfullofAIDSrandys1 (16,161 posts)
2. Nonsense
TM99 (5,378 posts)
40. Indeed yes they would.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821
In the small fraction of emails made public so far, Reuters has found at least 30 email threads from 2009, representing scores of individual emails, that include what the State Department's own "Classified" stamps now identify as so-called 'foreign government information.' The U.S. government defines this as any information, written or spoken, provided in confidence to U.S. officials by their foreign counterparts.
This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be "presumed" classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to U.S. regulations examined by Reuters.
"It's born classified," said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the National Archives and Records Administration, from 2002 until 2008, and worked for both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.
"If a foreign minister just told the secretary of state something in confidence, by U.S. rules that is classified at the moment it's in U.S. channels and U.S. possession," he said in a telephone interview, adding that for the State Department to say otherwise was "blowing smoke."
And in previous batches, there were indeed classified at the time emails as well as ones that she had her staff purposefully remove the classified headers from.
So yes, if anyone else had done this type of behavior they would be arrested and tried on charges.
7962 (7,115 posts)
45. And ANY govt employee would know it. They're trained.
Everyone is trained on handling and recognizing classified info.
She has NO excuse.
Yet nothing will happen to her. Someone may take a fall, but not her.
Calista241 (1,411 posts)
57. In addition, other people were given access to her emails
She gave them to her lawyer to turn over to the government. Unless that lawyer had the appropriate security clearance, she's in big trouble. It doesn't matter if he didn't read them, or even know what was on the drive / memory stick / server. His possession of the material is a violation of US Code.
Additionally, when she finally turned over her emails, she turned them over as hard copies to the Department of State. Someone was provided access to the server, and then sat down and printed off those emails. Who did that? Did they have the appropriate security clearance?
These are the questions the FBI is going to be asking Huma and her other aides. And the Repubs are going to be bringing this up ad-nauseum.
SansACause (273 posts)
6. For what?
Just because they're "Top Secret" now doesn't mean they were when she sent them. Things are sometimes classified after the fact.
Ignorance of the law is not a defense from the law.
Calista241 (1,411 posts)
54. They're going to be talking about prosecuting Hillary for the entire campaign.
She won't even get the opportunity to talk about her platform. Obama, Clinton, and Lynch will be asked incessantly and constantly defending themselves and the decision not to prosecute Hillary.
SansACause (273 posts)
4. Another "coincidence"?
Funny how these emails seem to be released a day before a primary election.
Rafale (213 posts)
5. FYI
There no such thing as retroactively classifying classified information. The info is always classified and even if you quote in an unclassified venue information that is classified as in compromised information available in the public realm like a newspaper. For example, quoting classified leaks on the Internet by a State Dept official is a security violation if that info is repeated by that official on the Internet because that info remains classified even after being compromised. Anyone with a government security clearance knows it no matter how high or low ranking. When you are talking around SAPs and/or top secret info on the Internet that too is a violation.
The Secretary makes the claim that the information was retroactivity classified and so she didn't do anything wrong. Total BS! Someone with as much "experience" in government as her absolutely knows that is a flat out huge lie.
Normally want [what] happens after top secret info is compromised on the Internet or anywhere else, a damage assessment is done and the FBI investigates, while the person is suspended from further assess to classified info. If the allegations are true, the person is prosecuted and if found guilt, goes to jail well unless you are a high ranking Army general or something like that.
The time bomb continues to tick. Running for office under those conditions if so f'ing self centered.
Star Member yallerdawg (3,794 posts)
10. Explain why almost every FOIA releases from any source...
contain "classified" and redacted material, even decades later?
Why newspaper articles are classified in the emails?
We can't have this one standard and expectation of just one person in the history of our government!
Rafale (213 posts)
12. Can do friend
FOIA does not involve releasing classified info. Classified info is redacted. If any classified info is DECLASSIFIED, it must be done by the proper declassification authority, who has the appropriate training, and before that info is released it must also undergo policy review to ensure that any government actions underway are not affected.
THE EMAILS BEING DISCUSSED DID NOT GO THROUGH ANY LEGAL PROCESS FOR DECLASSIFICATION AND ARE IN FACT UNDER INVESTIGATION BECAUSE 1800 EMAILS MUST BE KEPT CLASSIFIED AND LIKELY UNDERMINE US GOVERNMENT POLICY WITH REGARD TO FOREIGN AFFAIRS.
The emails were written willy nilly on a Blackberry out in the clear on the Internet. Hope this helps.
vdogg (432 posts)
38. False
From the article. None of the 88 classified emails in Friday’s dump were classified at the time they were sent, a State Department official said.
Rafale (213 posts)
41. Not trying to be difficult but What I'm trying to explain to you is that under policy you cannot take classified info, copy it to an unclassified email system without proper classification markings and claim that suddenly your Intenret email with unmarked classified email is now not classified info. Even though to you wrote an unclassified Intenret email that you composed from classified sources, no matter how much you wish it that Internet email still contains classified info, for which you could go to jail for and endanger national security at the same time. I know most people don't understand that but may I suggest googling some of the recent cases prosecuted by Eric Holder.
^ yup. Damn. this may be my most clever mole. or not my mole at all but a real DUmp Monkie.
metroins (279 posts)
76. Willingly and knowingly
To be a violation, you have to willingly and knowingly handle classified information.
You have to argue what H knew at the time she received.
So, Hillary's defense is that she is a complete and utter ****ing idiot? Yeah- she should be President based on her experiences of totally ****ing up being Secretary of State. That'll work.
phylny (3,690 posts)
23. Would someone kindly explain to me if she was or wasn't
permitted to set up and use a server at the time she was Secretary of State? Thanks
Rafale (213 posts)
29. Not the central issue
The central issue is: Was classified info disclosed in violation of US Code? That is a serious charge that has sent several CIA officers to jail. Really get no joy in considering this issue and remain amazed that the issue is twisted into something that appears to be no big deal when it is a big deal
vdogg (432 posts)
37. I'll post this one more time because folks in this thread wish to be willfully ignorant.
None of the 88 classified emails in Friday’s dump were classified at the time they were sent, a State Department official said.
keep shouting the lie, little man.
Rafale (213 posts)
43. Again
Under policy that is a false characterization. Taking classified info and putting it on the Intenret while removing the classification markings is still a crime.
There is the main concern that classified info was compromised on the Intenrt [internet] by Clinton. You can't shout down the facts. Most people are buying that approach to politics anymore.
CdnExtraNational (23 posts)
53. So then what..
If the indictment comes through...
Then what happens?
TM99 (5,378 posts)
61. My theory is that the Democratic establishment is beginning to recognize this very real possibility.
If they can depress the vote or force Sanders out shortly after Super Tuesday then if she doesn't make it to the convention, they can choose someone else like Biden there. As long as Sanders stays in all the way to the convention if anything takes her out of the race, he wins pretty much by default.
Abouttime (193 posts)
77. Hillary is our nominee
It's going to be wrapped up in the next few weeks. Nothing will come of the emails. Loretta Lynch will appear someday soon and say "no harm, no foul" or in other words, this is all behind us now there will be no charges regarding Hillary. At that point it's game over, end of scandal.
Like it or not that's how it's going to play out.
