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Offline franksolich

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primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« on: January 29, 2016, 06:33:35 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027572075

Oh my.

First up, the sour-assed old sow:

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cali (107,814 posts)    Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:03 PM

Shortages of vital drugs, rationing are the new normal in American medicine
 
— In the operating room at the Cleveland Clinic, Dr. Brian Fitzsimons has long relied on a decades-old drug to prevent hemorrhages in patients undergoing open-heart surgery. The drug, aminocaproic acid, is widely used, cheap and safe. “It never hurt,” he said. “It only helps.”

Then manufacturing issues caused a national shortage. “We essentially did military-style triage,” said Dr. Fitzsimons, an anesthesiologist, restricting the limited supply to patients at the highest risk of bleeding complications. Those who do not get the once-standard treatment at the clinic, the nation’s largest cardiac center, are not told. “The patient is asleep,” he said. “The family never knows about it.”

In recent years, shortages of all sorts of drugs — anesthetics, painkillers, antibiotics, cancer treatments — have become the new normal in American medicine. The American Society of Health-System Pharmacists currently lists inadequate supplies of more than 150 drugs and therapeutics, for reasons ranging from manufacturing problems to federal safety crackdowns to drugmakers abandoning low-profit products. But while such shortages have periodically drawn attention, the rationing that results from them has been largely hidden from patients and the public.

At medical institutions across the country, choices about who gets drugs have often been made in ad hoc ways that have resulted in contradictory conclusions, murky ethical reasoning and medically questionable practices, according to interviews with dozens of doctors, hospital officials and government regulators.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/drug-shortages-forcing-hard-decisions-on-rationing-treatments.html?_r=0

<<<since becoming an adult more years ago than I care to mention, has always insisted, when pharmaceuticals are necessary, that they (a) be the oldest drug of that sort on the market and (b) in the mildest dosage possible that's still medically effective.

The oldest because the side-effects are better known, no rude surprises, and the mildest because, well, one shouldn't overload the body with alien substances.

<<<pays an average of $4-10 per prescription, not enough to bother keeping track of and bothering the insurance company about.

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Turbineguy (21,035 posts)    Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:08 PM

1. Do the drug companies know
 
that people who survive due to cheap drugs might live to require expensive drugs?

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cali (107,814 posts)    Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:09 PM

2. They aren't worried about their market

Not while they got primitives like the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive gobbling down them pills as if fistfuls of popcorn.

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Erich Bloodaxe BSN (12,994 posts)    Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:34 PM

4. Why I've been saying for years we need a gov't run pharmaceutical company
 
to make all the necessary but not as profitable drugs that other companies aren't willing to make.
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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2016, 06:39:25 PM »
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN (12,994 posts)    Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:34 PM

4. Why I've been saying for years we need a gov't run pharmaceutical company
 
to make all the necessary but not as profitable drugs that other companies aren't willing to make.

Try suing them for malpractice too. :rofl:

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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2016, 08:23:41 PM »
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Shortages of vital drugs, rationing are the new normal in American medicine

Rationing is what you DUmmies voted for. This is a good time for a less than gentle reminder:

When Jonathan Gruber said "...the stupidity of the American voter...", he didn't mean conservatives or other opponents to zerocare, he meant you the zerocare supporter. Also known as democrats.

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As always, I hope it hurts. Stupidity is supposed to hurt. Most people learn after the first time, not to touch a hot burner or stick their fingers in a light socket. We as a species are wired to learn from painful experiences. You DUmmies, on the other hand, do nothing but make excuses why its important to to continue touching the burner or sticking your grubby little fingers in the light socket. And if that weren't enough, you desire to use the power of government to compel everyone else to do it too. I have zero sympathy for you, you incompetent ****s.


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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2016, 09:25:22 PM »
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN (12,994 posts)    Fri Jan 29, 2016, 05:34 PM

4. Why I've been saying for years we need a gov't run pharmaceutical company
 
to make all the necessary but not as profitable drugs that other companies aren't willing to make.

Venezuela dummie? They took a profitable enterprise, kicked out all the people of the companies that knew how to run it, made it government run and guess what happened?

Can you guess dummie?  Well can you?

No?

It is failing miserably. You want government run shit, move to Cuba, Venezuela, or North Korea.  So get your lazy ass out of this country and move to a country that is more like what you want.  If you don't, then shut the hell up.
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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2016, 10:26:21 PM »
Try suing them for malpractice too. :rofl:

That was my first thought. You can't watch TV during the day without seeing a commercial telling you to call 1-800- BAD-DRUG. 

What's sad is that I seen a drug advertised in the same commercial block that the lawyer was telling you to call about.

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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2016, 11:09:54 PM »
Gee! Libs & Progs have been working for decades to wring the "excess profits"out of pharmaceuticals and medicine. They're on the cusp of success! They're experiencing the fruits of their labors!

So ......... why aren't they ecstatic?!
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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2016, 01:44:44 AM »
Venezuela dummie? They took a profitable enterprise, kicked out all the people of the companies that knew how to run it, made it government run and guess what happened?

Can you guess dummie?  Well can you?

No?

It is failing miserably. You want government run shit, move to Cuba, Venezuela, or North Korea.  So get your lazy ass out of this country and move to a country that is more like what you want.  If you don't, then shut the hell up.

Beat me to it...... :-)


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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2016, 04:46:16 AM »
Oh noes!!  Out of Tylenol, again.....  :(

Headline: "Bernie Sanders rejoices as approaching snowstorm frees people from the tyranny of abundant variety"
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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2016, 05:26:15 AM »
Headline: "Bernie Sanders rejoices as approaching snowstorm frees people from the tyranny of abundant variety"

"Bernie Sanders rejoices as approaching snowstorm frees people from the tyranny of of earning their keep by working, and applying to Him to provide their every need, for free".

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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2016, 08:13:29 AM »
"Bernie Sanders rejoices as approaching snowstorm frees people from the tyranny of of earning their keep by working, and applying to Him to provide their every need, for free".

 :rotf:

And as they experience the inevitable, that feeling the Bern is a terminal condition, some of them will still blame capitalism.

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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2016, 08:53:51 AM »
It flies right over the feeble DUmmies heads as to how much money is invested to develop pharmaceutical drugs.  Not to mention the long approval & testing process of the FDA.
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Re: primitives discuss rationing pharmaceuticals
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2016, 10:12:24 AM »
Between the predictable consequences of making producing pharmaceuticals and being a doctor non-remunerative and the care rationing built into ObamaCare, some DU-folk will be feeling the consequences of their previous live-hard lifestyles more than they anticipated, though perhaps more briefly.

Hey DU-Lurkers:


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