http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511127779 Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:27 AM
kennetha (1,728 posts)
The False Lure of the Sanders Single-Payer Plan
http://prospect.org/article/false-lure-sanders-single-payer-plan
Can't find a single policy wonk who regards Sander's proposal as to any degree feasible.
So what exactly is the point? Surely he knows this. I assume he's not just deluded. So why is he pushing such a pie-in-the-sky proposal, one so devoid of any real details or any attempt to confront the real tradeoffs any such proposal would have to deal with?
Inquiring minds want to know.
The article is from a Shillary supporter but does lay out pretty clearly the absurdity of what Sanders Claus is promising.
Response to kennetha (Original post)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:46 AM
Maedhros (8,455 posts)
2. The lesson is: never try. [n/t]
Response to Maedhros (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:53 AM
kennetha (1,728 posts)
8. The lesson is
don't try something stupid and self-defeating that has no chance of passing when you can build on what you have in place without the all out political donnybrook it would take to get this non-proposal passed.
Response to kennetha (Reply #8)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:55 AM
Maedhros (8,455 posts)
10. I'm sorry, but I don't buy your defeatist bullshit.
/ignore list.
Typical.
Response to kennetha (Original post)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 05:57 AM
Star Member Recursion (44,787 posts)
32. You run with the argument that brings the donations and volunteers in
Even if you know it can't work. Yeah, it's disappointing, but it's how the system works.
Response to Recursion (Reply #32)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 10:53 AM
jeff47 (24,142 posts)
73. No, it's aspirational and setting the starting position for negotiations.
You go into negotiations with the GOP starting with minor tweaks to improve the ACA, and you'll get minor tweaks that weaken the ACA when you compromise.
You go into negotiations with the GOP starting with single-payer, you get minor tweaks that improve the ACA.
(If you go anywhere in either scenario)
Finally, the overall plan is aspirational - this is where we want to end up, eventually. It is not intended to be done in the next two years. Just like Clinton's tweaks to the ACA are not intended to be done in the next two years - she can't get them through Congress.
The old adage...
"want to make a conservative mad,tell him a lie.
want to make a liberal mad,tell him the truth."
This mutt basically says he would rather feel good with a lie then know the truth.
Response to kennetha (Original post)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 06:55 AM
Star Member Unknown Beatle (2,350 posts)
61. I never thought it was possible that a Democrat
would question healthcare for all US citizens. There are approximately between 33 - 40 million people uninsured in the US. Any self-described progressive would be for either universal healthcare or single payer. It's also the humanitarian thing to do. People shouldn't go broke because they need healthcare.
That's one of many reasons why Hillary is neither a progressive nor a humanitarian. She gets her marching orders from big pharma and insurance companies, she tells her supporters that healthcare for all is bad and her supporters parrot those sentiments.
Yes, we'll be taxed more, but in the end, we'll pocket more money than we paid in taxes.
Bernie is a true progressive and humanitarian.
No you won`t.
Response to kennetha (Reply #78)
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 11:31 AM
jeff47 (24,142 posts)
80. The ACA is not sustainable.
Medical expenses are going up slower than before the ACA, but they are still going up faster than inflation, and WAAAAAY faster than wages. And insurance costs are going to more-or-less go up with medical expenses.
The subsidies and Medicaid expansion in the ACA are based on federal poverty level, which will more-or-less go up with inflation.
As a result, we are going to end up with people who make too much for subsidies and expanded Medicaid, yet come nowhere close to being able to afford insurance.
The ACA always was a stopgap. It was sold to Democrats as a step towards single-payer. It never was, and can not be, the end state. Because it can not work in the long run.
As a result, we are going to have to reopen this issue. The fundamental problem of medical costs going up faster than anything else can not be fixed by minor tweaks.
I hope you ****ers all die slowly and painfully.
