The cost of single payer .... the math at my house. A bouncy

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KentuckyWoman (1,015 posts)

The cost of single payer .... the math at my house.


My husband is currently on chemo. He's on a medicare advantage plan. I am too young for medicare. I have recently had to stop working but was self employed. I still have some income from my store (run by hired staff). I buy medical care insurance through Kynect, which is targeted to be closed.

We have spent enough on medical care the last 8 years to be able to itemize it on our taxes and get a deduction. Prior to 2013 that means anything over 7.5 % and thereafter anything over 10%.

With single payer, if I had to pay a 10% tax on every penny we have coming in as income, including social security benefits, in order to pay for singer payer, we'd be ahead in 2015 by about $2400. If the math holds up as expected in 2016 it will be closer to $3300 we'd be ahead by buying single payer with the rest of America.

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My brother and sister in law work for the same medium sized company, who pays 75% of the medical care insurance premiums. They have family coverage including them both and 2 working college age kids. The premium they pay is $688 a month. This means the employer is paying $2064 a month. With deductables and copayments my brother's family spent $11691 on medical care for the 4 of them. The combined income for all 4 of them is $77844 in 2015. Their employer paid an additional $24768.

At a 10% tax for single payer on their income they would have paid $7784 and been ahead $3907. This doesn't even take into account the money their employer spent on premiums instead of wages. Give the employees an extra $12000 each in in come, tax it at 10% for single payer plus whatever regular tax rate they would have and they still come out $1000's ahead every year.

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Every time someone tells you WE can't afford single payer ask yourself WHO IS "WE". Just follow the money. Predators are everywhere in medical care at at every level. It's one thing to make a good living being a medical care professional, or manufacturing medical devices and treatments, or running a medical care facility. It's quite another to be swimming in gravy while the hungry starve. When the doctor owns the testing machines and constantly sends people for testing on it, or has a relative working at XYZ medical device manufacturer making commission on all the knee replacements, or stents or whatever that are used... which is more common that you think.... it's a recipe for using the sick as cash cows and even making marginal people actually sick.

We've got to chop the the absolutely predatory nature of sick care in this country out of the equation. Whatever it takes.

Go back to school. Your math sucks.

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[Big Dog]

It's quite another to be swimming in gravy while the hungry starve.

I'm swimming in gravy, KY Woman. Eat me.

[FlaGator]

I don't know who she is trying to kid other than herself. The tax on individuals for this particular government hand out will be much, much greater than a 10 percent in crease on income. Estimates are around 65 percent or more and 65 percent is being optimistic.

[Carl]

First off,unless at the point of a gun there is no chance many employers will shift insurance premiums to wages and imagine the bureaucratic nightmare it would be to discover and enforce it if somehow was made law to do so.

Second is that almost all the DUmbasses not currently living on the dole would be if healthcare was divorced from employment.
Virtually all of them that do hold jobs would quit the day the law took affect.
So much for the payroll tax revenue stream they all are banking on.

[67 Rover]

Forget about the chemo under "I pay for you" insurance because there will be none.

Treating cancer is not cost effective not to mention it will be too late to treat after having to wait two years to see the specialist.

Ask yourself why Canadian MP's and other world leaders come here for treatment when it is a serious illness. 

[Patriot Guard Rider]

I don't know who she is trying to kid other than herself. The tax on individuals for this particular government hand out will be much, much greater than a 10 percent in crease on income. Estimates are around 65 percent or more and 65 percent is being optimistic.

No, don't you know your healthcare premiums will fall by $1000 to $2500 a year? I learned that cause I get my news from DU.

The suckers got taken once with Obamacare (it'll save families $2500 per year) and they're more than willing to be taken in again. Income taxes will skyrocket, 25% VAT and increased taxes on goods. They sing the praises of Englands National Health Service, but none have them have ventured out of moms yard, much less to go to England and see the taxes, much less get medical care there. Same with Cuba, Venezuela, etc.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Forget about the chemo under "I pay for you" insurance because there will be none.

Treating cancer is not cost effective not to mention it will be too late to treat after having to wait two years to see the specialist.

Ask yourself why Canadian MP's and other world leaders come here for treatment when it is a serious illness. 

Quite right. As we age, and I'm starting to get up there, the body breaks down and needs more care. Cancer? Hip replacement? Forget it. Too expensive.

Here's what the gov't will do. They'll give you a pill, then tell you to go home and die.

[zeitgeist]

I've had my fill of Dr Pill

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[I_B_Perky]

KentuckyWoman (1,015 posts)

<bunch of bullshit>

Look dummie. All one has to do is look to Europe.  They have single payer.  Look to their taxes and find out just how much they pay. 

No dummies... the whole thing in a nutshell is this:

You want free health care.  You want somebody to pay for everything. You cannot understand that the somebody that pays for that is people like me... and we are fed up and tapped out.

 Personally I hope you die.  You are a parasite. I hope you die in the street, freezing your ass off, getting the payback you so richly deserve.

[98ZJUSMC]

I don't know who she is trying to kid other than herself. The tax on individuals for this particular government hand out will be much, much greater than a 10 percent in crease on income. Estimates are around 65 percent or more and 65 percent is being optimistic.

At least.