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kwassa (20,192 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027339173We also have public spaces on DU. They are called Forums. For any group to want to have a safe space is not a limitation on freedom of speech, other than in a particular locale at a particular time, but does provide a space for those of like mind or interest to congregate and discuss what is important to them, without interference. This has value in building a community with similar beliefs and interests. It also has value in strengthening minority viewpoints where they can be drowned out by majority viewpoints. There are plenty of other spaces to have complete freedom of speech about the same topics where all can be challenged. There is great value in both safe spaces and open spaces. Safe spaces are no threat to total freedom of speech, because of the prevalence of open spaces. DU, on a Meta level, is a safe space. Republican viewpoints are not allowed here. It is not a totally open forum, and that is OK.
Star Member longship (28,686 posts) 1. Unfortunately, the Balkanization of DU is not a good thing.These safe havens only promote more bad behavior. IMHO. Again, the Balkanization of DU promotes the Balkanization of the party. Who in the **** wants that no matter who one supports? I find GD.P a disgusting and toxic waste dump.
kwassa (20,192 posts) 4. I don't think DU is Balkanized.Many of the protected groups have very little activity, because apparently many who would belong to that demographic don't feel they need them. Those groups that do have relevance thrive. Without groups, DU would become the tyranny of the majority viewpoints over minority viewpoints. This will only create homogenization of opinions by sheer numbers, and drive out diversity of viewpoint. There is a tendency for this to happen anyways, in my opinion. As to GD-P, if it didn't exist, then that toxic waste dump would be here in GD.
Fumesucker (42,491 posts) 2. Conservative viewpoints are common on DU...I was told recently right here in GD that there are no poor people on the internet.
Prism (4,808 posts) 8. Your version of safe space is actually an Orwellian inversion of the conceptSafe spaces are supposed to be places where people can speak without fear of retribution or censorship. On colleges specifically, they were intended as First Amendment zones where a student couldn't get in trouble from professors for their ideas and speech. They were noble concepts meant to encourage academic inquiry and freedom. Now, they are zones of ideological fanaticism, sheltering participants from disagreement or challenge with apparent attempts at enforcing that uniformity through verbal and sometimes physical aggression. Notice yesterday's video of a safe space where people could speak their truth. When an asian woman immigrant said something some of these SJWs didn't like, they went after her. Safe space, huh? More like "Safe space for me, not for thee. You have to agree with me in this place." This is so far afield from our concepts of what makes for a healthy, intellectual society, it's appalling. This isn't liberalism. It's, quite frankly, getting fascistic. But I'm somewhat enjoying watching all these would-be Robespierres eat each other. Who next will get the guillotine? The university administrations that unleashed these Frankensteins are now getting a taste as it turns on them. This is vastly entertaining. I guess some professors are too busy writing papers about Twilight and 50 Shades of Gray instead of cracking a history book.
ismnotwasm (24,358 posts) 18. SJW? Holy shit.
Star Member Goblinmonger (19,533 posts) 20. So there shouldn't be a space where people of color can talk?Or atheists? Or a specific religion? People in those groups want to be able to talk without those with privilege coming in and telling them how silly they are being or that they just don't get it. How the hell is that Orwellian? Well, because a safe space to talk means everyone there is in a safe space- not just those who want to control other people's speech. And some people want to talk about Sanders without someone coming in to say that Hillary has already been crowned. Why is that bad? If you want to mix it up about the primaries, go to GDP. If you just want to talk about the person you like, go to that place.And your last line smacks of Republican talking points about the world of academics.
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QuotePrism (4,808 posts) 8. Your version of safe space is actually an Orwellian inversion of the concept You don't say....Safe spaces are supposed to be places where people can speak without fear of retribution or censorship opposing views. On colleges specifically, they were intended as First Amendment zones opposition-free bully pulpits where a student couldn't get in trouble from professors for their ideas and speech be driven into a quivering pile of jello salad by opposing view points.Notice yesterday's video of a safe space where people could speak their truth. When an asian woman immigrant said something some of these SJWs didn't like, they went after her. Safe space, huh? More like "Safe space for me, not for thee. You have to agree with me in this place."
