What DUmmies mean when they want fair investigations

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pintobean (14,890 posts)

2 Outside Reviews Say Cleveland Officer Acted Reasonably in Shooting Tamir Rice, 12

Two outside investigators looking into the death of Tamir Rice have concluded that a Cleveland police officer, Tim Loehmann, acted reasonably in deciding last year to shoot when he confronted the 12-year-old boy carrying what turned out to be a replica gun.

Those opinions, reached separately by a Colorado prosecutor and a former F.B.I. supervisory special agent, were released Saturday night by the Cuyahoga County prosecutor, Timothy J. McGinty, whose office will ultimately present evidence in the case to a grand jury to decide on possible criminal charges.

“The question is not whether every officer would have reacted the same way,” Kimberly A. Crawford, the retired F.B.I. agent, wrote in her report, which noted that Officer Loehmann had no way of knowing Tamir’s gun was fake. “Rather, the relevant inquiry is whether a reasonable officer, confronting the exact same scenario under identical conditions could have concluded that deadly force was necessary.”
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The reports, which were commissioned by the prosecutor’s office, come almost 11 months after the shooting outside a recreation center on Nov. 22, 2014. Footage of the shooting was captured on a surveillance camera, and Tamir’s name quickly became among the most prominent in a series of black men and boys whose deaths at the hands of the police were memorialized in Twitter hashtags and protest chants.

Yup: it isn't "fair" unless they get the outcome they want.

kcr (8,989 posts)
1. Two foxes say fox reacted same way any fox reasonably would in a henhouse

So, fox did nothing wrong.


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Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:26 PM

Cal Carpenter (3,434 posts)
2. Those aren't 'outside'. Prosecutors do cops' bidding. FBI is cops of another stripe.

Disgusting. Getting away with murdering a little boy.


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Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:35 PM

JCMach1 (22,598 posts)
3. how to get away with murder... just be a cop


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Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:15 PM

Star Member uppityperson (98,213 posts)
4. BBC article...wtf. If you pull up too close too fast, you putv yourself in

danger and are fine shooting a kid? Maybe, just maybe, it your partner didn't make the confrontation progress so fast? Asses. I am so glad there is a video of this.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34499044


the speed with which the confrontation progressed would not give the officer time to focus on the weapon", she wrote.



Response to pintobean (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:26 PM

Star Member IcyPeas (4,058 posts)
5. what irks me is...

apparently the 911 operator was told by the guy who initially called that it may be a kid and it may be a toy gun -- however the 911 operator did not relay that part to the police. Is no one else saying What the? about that? Shouldn't all information be relayed to the police? Apparently she has resigned from her job. I believe she is partly liable.

     They howl for "independent investigations," but they want the exact opposite.

     **** off, DUmmies. Shit happens sometimes. Other times, like with Mike Brown, cops get assaulted and they have to empty their guns.

[obumazombie]

It's amazing who the lib/progs/DUmmies/primitives make into villains and - heroes...

Jennifer Latson paid tribute to communist thug Che Guevara on the anniversary of his death in a gushing Friday item on Time magazine's website.
Latson marveled how the Argentinian radical "might have considered the United States his worst enemy, but he faced an even greater threat to his revolutionary ambitions: asthma."

 The writer later touted that "asthma didn't keep him from embracing the rowdiness of youth," and that "it didn't prevent him from following a rugged revolutionary road to Cuba."
Latson led her article, titled "How Che Guevara Didn't Let Asthma Affect His Ambitions," with her "even greater threat to his revolutionary ambitions" line about the leftist's asthma, and noted that "asthma was a constant threat from his earliest youth."

She continued with an account of the physical abuse that Guevara's father inflicted on his "tiny and sickly" son when he was a child, which "instead of toughening him up...left him with a persistent cough and severe asthma."
The Time journalist also pointed out that the communist's "approach to his own health was no gentler; asthma didn't keep him from embracing the rowdiness of youth...[Guevara] 'played amateur rugby at top speed, wheezing to the sidelines from time to time for whiffs from the inevitable atomizer.'"

After briefly noting that the asthma "sometimes slowed him down along the way" (and cited a 1953 incident that triggered a "terrifying asthma attack that lasted two full hours"), Latson outlined that the communist "did little to ward off future asthma attacks, with a lifestyle that involved regular raging—and chain-smoking cigars.

If anything, his own affliction seemed to be an afterthought.
Although he earned a medical degree before embarking on his Communist crusades, he didn't focus on respiratory ailments."

Near the end of her article, the writer noted that "if his fragile health made Che an unlikely guerilla leader, it wasn't the only unlikely role he threw himself into.
He was an equally ill-suited financier—but that didn't stop him from becoming the head of Cuba's central bank."

She also included one more anecdote of the lengths that Guevara had to go through to fight his asthma:
"Even diehard Communists sometimes had to make sacrifices to stay alive, however.

Che's mother, in a 1961 interview, told reporters, "...[A] Soviet doctor...prescribed some pills for his asthma that are doing him lots of good.' She added, 'These pills, of course, are made in the U.S.'"

Back in March 2015, Latson boosted the supposed "truth" of a claim that another hero of the far left, Ethel Rosenberg, "had not actively taken part in espionage....Her brother, David Greenglass, admitted in a 2001 interview that he had lied to protect himself."
She also spotlighted how "some historians have argued that the value of the classified information itself may have been exaggerated during the trial."

 However, she didn't mention something that former leftist pointed out in a September 30, 2015 item in the Wall Street Journal
– that "revelations over the past 20 years
—the Venona decrypts of KGB transmissions to its American agents in the 1940s, and KGB files released by a Russian defector who now lives in Britain, Alexander Vassiliev—showed concretely Ethel's involvement in her husband's espionage ring."

full article...



http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/matthew-balan/2015/10/10/time-celebrates-how-che-guevara-didnt-let-asthma-affect-his#sthash.HufcvTWQ.dpuf

[SVPete]

They just can't handle the idea that sometimes being utterly stupid ends up being fatally stupid.

Had a sheriff's deputy ever encountered me when I was carrying my air rifle or shotgun and ordered me to put it down, it would have been on the ground before he could say it twice! The wisdom of obeying cops even if you think they're wrong isn't hard to figure out.

[CollectivismMustDie]

They just can't handle the idea that sometimes being utterly stupid ends up being fatally stupid.

I'd take it a step farther.

Without putting too fine a point on it, I have some aquaintences, who are very much DUmmies in behavior though not what I'd call political. The entire family, in fact. The brothers, the father, and the wives. They complain all the time that they're broke. Complain all the time that they have problem after problem crop up in their lives, and generally blame others for their failures and problems. They'll milk any government program they can for all its worth, up to and including leaving the state to go to another state to birth a child. Keep them in mind for a minute.

Every truly functional adult human being has a process when it comes to making decisions. Regardless of what criteria an individual uses in making a decision, the functional adult considers the ramifications of any potential decision. A truly functional adult is able to "rewind and replay" past decisions and see where they led, and is able in real time, to rewind and replay potential decisions as a means of both avoiding negative or unwanted outcomes, and ensuring a targeted or desired outcome.

This ability, call it whatever you want, the the family I described above and the DUmmies both lack it completely.

Combine that with a heavy does of DUnning-Kruger, and you get "the worlds smartest people", who are always right and never responsible:

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than is accurate. The bias was first experimentally observed by David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University in 1999. Dunning and Kruger attributed the bias to the metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Those RL folks I spoke of, they're like watching a train wreck that just keeps wrecking and wrecking, and you can see it coming a long ways off before it even begins, over and over and over. Same with the DUmmies. With that family, its become entertaining to watch them self inflict troubles problems and costs on themselves. The wife and I joke about it, that if theres a worst possible way to make a decision, they'll take it, and if there isn't, they'll invent one that is.

But with the DUmmies, they want to inflict their stupidity on the rest of us, and that ain't funny.


to the bunch of them.

CMD