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"IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« on: October 05, 2015, 07:45:15 AM »
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"IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
As I was watching the Pope standing at the podium in congress, my eyes were drawn to these words, emblazoned in granite in bold lettering directly above his head: IN GOD WE TRUST. I realized then exactly how intimidating and coercive these words would be for anyone sitting there who didn't believe in God. It's a violation of our doctrine of separation of church and state, just as putting the words "UNDER GOD" in the pledge is.

Both of these things were done back in the 1950's, during the McCarthy era, and both were passed by congress and signed into law by the president, Dwight D. Eisenhower. They are both unconstitutional because they are both laws passed by congress respecting an establishment of religion. Now, the Supreme Court and every other judge in this country can say they are constitutional all day, every day. But that does not change the truth: they are unconstitutional.

The country is a lot different today than it was 60 years ago. The number of atheists and agnostics, who are completely underrepresented in our congress, is approaching 25% of the population. And there is what? One atheist in congress? I'm suggesting here that a government that favors believers will be primarily comprised of believers, and this has resulted in a substantial part if our population being extremely underrepresented for decades.

The national motto needs to be changed back to e pluribus unum, and the words "under God" must be taken out and the original wording of the pledge restored. It's time!

I have a simple 2 word solution to your issue.

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1. I'm sorry but that's not the hill I choose to wage my battle on today.

There are MANY more important issues... issues that actually impact people on a material level each and every day.

This doesn't rise to that level.

In other words,"Shut up,we don`t want normal people to know what we really believe in".

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3. Does It Not?

I understand what you are saying, but how is leaving 25% of Americans virtually unrepresented in government a positive for us? And I know no one today is going to challenge the Republican "God and Country" types who currently dominate our government, and no one is going to try to take God back out of government right now, but sooner or later, something needs to be done.

And that's why I question your conclusion. "God and Country" people have consistently opposed, not merely increases in the minimum wage, and unions, but have also otherwise acted to cut social safety net programs. Do these activities not materially affect people?

I get the politics of it, too. Trying to challenge The motto, or "under God" in the pledge would be just as difficult these days, if not more so, than it was for politicians in the 1950's. Nobody can afford to be painted as "against God", which is another reason our motto is so coercive!
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2. Agreed. It was not possible to build today's system

without first laying the foundation. Those who cannot see that we didn't get this far along in one gigantic leap hasn't learned to walk.

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4. Agree As Well

The founders intended a secular nation, not one based on religion.

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Sun Oct 4, 2015, 06:55 PM

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38. Then they should have put it in the constitution

Instead of some writings in a journal.

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Sun Oct 4, 2015, 07:42 PM

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45. It says everyone is free to practice religion

And government need not endorse an official religion. Does not mean complete devoid of religion. I think the saying on money, a plaque and saying merry Christmas should be allowed everywhere. Just me though.

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Sun Oct 4, 2015, 08:22 PM

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46. And how is that not endorsing a religion?

Aside from us atheists that ruin everything, not all religions have "God" in whom you can trust.

So aside from the inherent "screw you, atheists!" you want the government to perform on your behalf, you're also putting your religion above those others.

I wan`t one that leaves me alone.

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Sun Oct 4, 2015, 02:58 PM

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7. I totally agree.


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Sun Oct 4, 2015, 03:07 PM

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9. I agree. I was always angry when I had to say the pledge as a kid,

and I was angry when my kids were supposed to say it, too. I told them they should stand but they didn't have to say the words if they didn't want to.

Forced religion sucks.

You are angry because you have to breathe.

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Sun Oct 4, 2015, 03:24 PM

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11. I agree. As to those that say "there's more impotant stuff", I say: Some of us are capable of..

...doing several causes at the same time.

I'll march with you anytime!

Communism is pretty much one cause,just admit it.

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Sun Oct 4, 2015, 03:30 PM

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13. I support that, but I also support getting Latin phrases

off our money, too. The only place Latin is spoken is at the Vatican. Beyond that, it's a dead, academic language that is not understood by most Americans.

Latin is no longer universal, as it once was. The meaning of Latin phrases is unknown to most people.

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21. Be careful. Although I know it's not your intent,

such suggestions are exactly the type of rationale that lends support to English as our official language advocacy.

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Sun Oct 4, 2015, 03:36 PM

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16. Do atheists really see "In God We Trust" as "intimidating and coercive"?

Or merely as silly nonsense?

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23. I think so!

It's like the cross in front of city hall thing. It's saying: if you don't believe, you're not one of "us." The mere fact, then, that they could put the words "In God We trust" directly above the speakers podium in congress tells me how coercive it is. Nobody could object for fear of being shouted down as "against God!" That's coercive. And when we review the history of religion, it's pretty obvious that intimidation and coercion go hand in hand with religion.

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42. The only reason we aren't getting shot is it's easy for us to pass.

So yes, yet another instance of religious privilege is problematic.

Of for ****s face.  :banghead:

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Mon Oct 5, 2015, 08:21 AM

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55. It's a perpetual reminder that I don't belong

Perpetual, as in, every time I handle currency or see that religious invocation emblazoned on official state material.

Every cash transaction reminds me that I'm outside the nation's favored group.


Obviously it's nowhere near the level of discrimination suffered by women or ethnic minorities, but it's real and constant nonetheless.



Does yellow make you sad?

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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 07:56:20 AM »
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"IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
As I was watching the Pope standing at the podium in congress, my eyes were drawn to these words, emblazoned in granite in bold lettering directly above his head: IN GOD WE TRUST. I realized then exactly how intimidating and coercive these words would be for anyone sitting there who didn't believe in God. It's a violation of our doctrine of separation of church and state, just as putting the words "UNDER GOD" in the pledge is.

Both of these things were done back in the 1950's, during the McCarthy era, and both were passed by congress and signed into law by the president, Dwight D. Eisenhower. They are both unconstitutional because they are both laws passed by congress respecting an establishment of religion. Now, the Supreme Court and every other judge in this country can say they are constitutional all day, every day. But that does not change the truth: they are unconstitutional.
I am pretty sure if the Supreme Court rules that something is constitutional it is constitutional. Their job is sort of doing that, ruling what does and does not violate the constitution.
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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 08:16:17 AM »
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"IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!

And while we're at it lets just take a Sharpie marker to those parts of our founding documents that mention "The Creator".

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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2015, 09:26:18 AM »
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itimidating and coercive

What a fag.

If the words "In God We Trust" upsets the DUmmy so, he is free to take txradioguy's Sharpie to every dollar bill that crosses his palm.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2015, 09:44:08 AM »
I know I am preaching to the choir here....

This for lurking dummies, although they won't read it or comprehend it.  In no place in the Constitution will you find "Separation of church and state" I know 89% of them don't believe that because they have never actually read or even care about the Constitution.

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"Separation of church and state" (sometimes "wall of separation between church and state") is a phrase used by Thomas Jefferson and others expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

I really don't feel like looking up all the specifics, so this is from memory, Thomas Jefferson wrote this phrase in a letter to the Danbury Baptists because they were in opposition to the State's Established Religion ( Yes, DUmmies States could have Established Religions and till can quit frankly).  Jefferson's whole point in the letter was to state that because of the 1st Amendment there was nothing the Federal Government could do because there is a "Wall of Separation Between Church and State"  this had nothing to do with excluding religion.  Oh, and he closed his letter with a prayer.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 10:35:52 AM »
I know I am preaching to the choir here....

This for lurking dummies, although they won't read it or comprehend it.  In no place in the Constitution will you find "Separation of church and state" I know 89% of them don't believe that because they have never actually read or even care about the Constitution.

I really don't feel like looking up all the specifics, so this is from memory, Thomas Jefferson wrote this phrase in a letter to the Danbury Baptists because they were in opposition to the State's Established Religion ( Yes, DUmmies States could have Established Religions and till can quit frankly).  Jefferson's whole point in the letter was to state that because of the 1st Amendment there was nothing the Federal Government could do because there is a "Wall of Separation Between Church and State"  this had nothing to do with excluding religion.  Oh, and he closed his letter with a prayer.

I don't think Dummies read any of the Supreme Court cases on point on this issue.  The SC has consistently upheld legislative prayer since our first Congress included this type of prayer.   Religious symbols like the Ten Commandments has resulted in mix rulings.  If the symbols were placed in a government building/government land for religious reasons, the Court is unlikely to uphold it.  However, Justice Thomas points out that the establishment clause should only be applied to the federal government, so state governments should still be able to establish a religion, as was intended during the framing of the Constitution.

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2015, 10:55:32 AM »
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They are both unconstitutional because they are both laws passed by congress respecting an establishment of religion.

Putting trust in God does not establish a single religion. Almost every religion worships the same God. The exceptions being Islam and Liberalism, they both apparently worship Satan.

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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2015, 10:59:16 AM »
I don't think Dummies read any of the Supreme Court cases on point on this issue.  The SC has consistently upheld legislative prayer since our first Congress included this type of prayer.   Religious symbols like the Ten Commandments has resulted in mix rulings.  If the symbols were placed in a government building/government land for religious reasons, the Court is unlikely to uphold it.  However, Justice Thomas points out that the establishment clause should only be applied to the federal government, so state governments should still be able to establish a religion, as was intended during the framing of the Constitution.

Yes just like many things States have the right/should have the right to be the ultimate deciding factor.  It actually creates a pretty neat situation.  Little Countries inside a Country where you may go depending on what you like and believe.  You don't want gay marriage, want Catholicism, and want lenient gun laws go live in ______ . (Fill in the blank).  Unfortunately, the Federal Government is far to involved in every aspect of our lives, exactly opposite of what the Founding Fathers intended.  Education is one that comes to mind.  That should be ran exclusively and supported exclusively by the States, there should be no Department of Education.  If you don't like the education in your State, change it by democratic process or move to a State that does have the education you are seeking.
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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2015, 11:27:27 AM »
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4. Agree As Well

The founders intended a secular nation, not one based on religion.

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38. Then they should have put it in the constitution

Instead of some writings in a journal.

One ordinarily would not insert quotes from church liturgy or scripture into a nuts-and-bolts document setting up a government. That said, have these Lib/Progs ever noticed how the writers of the USC dated the document?
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2015, 12:18:12 PM »
Putting trust in God does not establish a single religion. Almost every religion worships the same God. The exceptions being Islam and Liberalism, they both apparently worship Satan.

I don't believe in any gods. I am not the least bit intimidated or coerced by anyone else's religion; or by the word "God", no matter where I see it.
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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2015, 12:23:35 PM »
What we need is a two-tiered money system in the United States, one that is for the good and decent people who work hard for their wages and it can have the Motto of the United States of America.

And then DUmmie Money that has the DUmmie Motto: In Obama and/or Bernie We Trusted, Boy Were/Are We Stupid!

And it will be up to merchants and good and decent people as to whether they want to accept DUmmie Money.  But DUmmies would be free to use the currency for among themselves.  They could, for instance, buy hearts and stars with it on DU.
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2015, 12:34:26 PM »
What we need is a two-tiered money system in the United States, one that is for the good and decent people who work hard for their wages and it can have the Motto of the United States of America.

And then DUmmie Money that has the DUmmie Motto: In Obama and/or Bernie We Trusted, Boy Were/Are We Stupid!

And it will be up to merchants and good and decent people as to whether they want to accept DUmmie Money.  But DUmmies would be free to use the currency for among themselves.  They could, for instance, buy hearts and stars with it on DU.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2015, 12:36:43 PM »
How would you turn healing white light into denominational currency? How many hearts and stars equal 1 "unit" of healing white light?

That is the definition of "full faith and credit", right there.
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2015, 12:38:15 PM »
How would you turn healing white light into denominational currency? How many hearts and stars equal 1 "unit" of healing white light?
I leave that to DUmmie merchants such as Skinner.  He knows how to skin his flock with the current cash even if it has "In God We Trust" on it.  I'm sure Skins will know how to skin his flock with the DUmmie Money. I don't really care how they do it so long as they don't do it with my money.
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2015, 01:08:01 PM »
Gee, what would we change our motto to?

"In that stick (or rock) over there we trust. Well, today, anyway. Maybe the moon tomorrow."

Sorry, won't fit on the standard US Coin. Besides, who would want a moving target? Besides, doing that would take away my personal motto: In God we trust, all others pay cash. Would look pretty stoopid if I had to change it every week.

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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2015, 02:18:17 PM »
One ordinarily would not insert quotes from church liturgy or scripture into a nuts-and-bolts document setting up a government. That said, have these Lib/Progs ever noticed how the writers of the USC dated the document?
Too bad for the DUmmies that Jefferson was in Europe at the time and was not present at the Constitutional Convention.
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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2015, 03:49:24 PM »
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13. I support that, but I also support getting Latin phrases

off our money, too. The only place Latin is spoken is at the Vatican. Beyond that, it's a dead, academic language that is not understood by most Americans.

Latin is no longer universal, as it once was. The meaning of Latin phrases is unknown to most people.




It's not like Lawyers, Doctors, and Scientists don't have their curriculums jam packed with latin.
And it's not like latin isn't the basis for all the romance languages.
It's not like an understanding of latin would help anyone understand English better either, just because so many English words have latin roots.
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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2015, 04:19:47 PM »
I think one of the reasons we don't, as a culture, learn Latin any more is because we have become unanchored from our roots and we also just like to take the "expert's" word for what things mean.  Why consult the original Latin text when some left-wing liberal professor has translated it into English? Or 'Greek' for that matter.
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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2015, 09:31:05 PM »



It's not like Lawyers, Doctors, and Scientists don't have their curriculums jam packed with latin.
And it's not like latin isn't the basis for all the romance languages.
It's not like an understanding of latin would help anyone understand English better either, just because so many English words have latin roots.

Latin doesn't seem all that popular at democrat underground.  I've noticed that they prefer to try to make themselves appear to be educated by sprucing their posts up with french phrases--quelle surprise is one that seems to pop up pretty regularly.

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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2015, 09:55:32 PM »
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46. And how is that not endorsing a religion?

Aside from us atheists that ruin everything, not all religions have "God" in whom you can trust.

So aside from the inherent "screw you, atheists!" you want the government to perform on your behalf, you're also putting your religion above those others.
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2015, 11:20:01 PM »
Latin doesn't seem all that popular at democrat underground. 

Too bad, so sad for them.

If the DUmmies knew Latin, they'd know that I have been giving them good advice for more than two years:

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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2015, 09:29:00 AM »
There is some bias against atheists in the history of our country.  Technically there are laws on the books still extant.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/07/08/there-are-states-where-you-technically-cant-hold-public-office-if-youre-an-atheist/

Eight state constitutions include restrictions on people who don’t believe in a supreme being. In Arkansas, denying the existence of God means you can’t hold civil office or testify in court, while in Tennessee there are also guidelines about belief in the hereafter.

Having made some study of most of the religions of today, including atheism (I think it qualifies as a belief system since so many of its adherents are so vocal), I think we all have more important issues to worry about then whether or not the coinage says IN GOD WE TRUST or not.  As with many religious groups, there is an obnoxious vocal sub-set that seems to make it their calling to blacken the reputation of the vast majority of the faithful.  I have a few comments for the obnoxious atheists.

Get over yourselves!  If your lack of faith (to paraphrase on the old meme of your faith being so weak as to be threatened by...) is so threatened to observing someone else pray in public, or viewing a cross or menorah in the public square, perhaps you should ask yourself if perhaps the inner angst you feel is your soul's rebellion against your oh so superior mindset that you know better than 95% of humanity. :shrug:  If you want to feel persecuted, go hang out with the Muslims in the Middle East or Africa.  There will be plenty of them willing to demonstrate how truly free and blessed you were to once call yourself a citizen of the United States.

For the race baiters, I know that your enslaved ancestors (yes, slavery was wrong and it still is where it exists, including your imaginary African paradise) would gladly trade places with you in a heartbeat.  Getting called a bad name (although it happens more with your fellow blacks than elsewhere) probably doesn't hurt as much as picking cotton or whatever without pay, have your children sold out from under you, being raped, and all the other horrors that DID happen, albeit not as much as Uncle Tom's Cabin would have had us believe.  Above all, get over yourselves and acknowledge once and for all that there cannot possibly be ONE person alive who does not have both slaves and slave owners in their ancestry.  If you think of one second that every slave EVER was a black person owned by a white person you are full of bigotry yourself, because that says only white people were evil enough to buy human beings.  I think the white European girls kidnapped and sold to some degenerate sheikh or Asian brothel would wholeheartedly disagree, and also love to trade places with you.  Everyone, able to trace their ancestry far enough back, would find people who were owned, and who owned other people in their lineage.  The Bible itself speaks of slavery as does the Koran:

24:31 "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves."

The above sura brings me to my last comment in this post, to the aggrieved feminists out there who believe all Western men are chauvinistic pigs who discriminate and micro/macro aggress against women.  I'm sure you would rethink your stance if you found yourself locked up in some goat herder's Bedouin tent or a city dweller's harem.  But hey, go for it.  All of you, atheists, resentful African Americans or feminists.  To youall I could add illegal aliens, LGBTs, anti-capitalists, and who the **** ever has a pampered entitled view of the world and a sense of their inflated self-importance in it.  Get the hell out of the USA and good luck finding yourselves a better country.  Maybe, just maybe, if we could be rid of the most egregious complainers and do-nothings, we might be able to salvage a tomorrow for our children.  Unfortunately, or fortunately for your ungrateful carcasses, America continues to shelter you in her protective arms and tolerate your every heedless expectation of her continued support no matter how petulant, shrill, whiny and unappreciative you NEVER CEASE to be.

For once in your heedless lives, can't you JUST SHUT THE **** UP and spend the damn money, motto and all, a whole lot of you are getting from beleaguered taxpaying churchgoers. :banghead:
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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2015, 09:31:53 AM »
There is some bias against atheists in the history of our country.  Technically there are laws on the books still extant.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/07/08/there-are-states-where-you-technically-cant-hold-public-office-if-youre-an-atheist/

Eight state constitutions include restrictions on people who don’t believe in a supreme being. In Arkansas, denying the existence of God means you can’t hold civil office or testify in court, while in Tennessee there are also guidelines about belief in the hereafter.

Having made some study of most of the religions of today, including atheism (I think it qualifies as a belief system since so many of its adherents are so vocal), I think we all have more important issues to worry about then whether or not the coinage says IN GOD WE TRUST or not.  As with many religious groups, there is an obnoxious vocal sub-set that seems to make it their calling to blacken the reputation of the vast majority of the faithful.  I have a few comments for the obnoxious atheists.

Get over yourselves!  If your lack of faith (to paraphrase on the old meme of your faith being so weak as to be threatened by...) is so threatened to observing someone else pray in public, or viewing a cross or menorah in the public square, perhaps you should ask yourself if perhaps the inner angst you feel is your soul's rebellion against your oh so superior mindset that you know better than 95% of humanity. :shrug:  If you want to feel persecuted, go hang out with the Muslims in the Middle East or Africa.  There will be plenty of them willing to demonstrate how truly free and blessed you were to once call yourself a citizen of the United States.

For the race baiters, I know that your enslaved ancestors (yes, slavery was wrong and it still is where it exists, including your imaginary African paradise) would gladly trade places with you in a heartbeat.  Getting called a bad name (although it happens more with your fellow blacks than elsewhere) probably doesn't hurt as much as picking cotton or whatever without pay, have your children sold out from under you, being raped, and all the other horrors that DID happen, albeit not as much as Uncle Tom's Cabin would have had us believe.  Above all, get over yourselves and acknowledge once and for all that there cannot possibly be ONE person alive who does not have both slaves and slave owners in their ancestry.  If you think of one second that every slave EVER was a black person owned by a white person you are full of bigotry yourself, because that says only white people were evil enough to buy human beings.  I think the white European girls kidnapped and sold to some degenerate sheikh or Asian brothel would wholeheartedly disagree, and also love to trade places with you.  Everyone, able to trace their ancestry far enough back, would find people who were owned, and who owned other people in their lineage.  The Bible itself speaks of slavery as does the Koran:

24:31 "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves."

The above sura brings me to my last comment in this post, to the aggrieved feminists out there who believe all Western men are chauvinistic pigs who discriminate and micro/macro aggress against women.  I'm sure you would rethink your stance if you found yourself locked up in some goat herder's Bedouin tent or a city dweller's harem.  But hey, go for it.  All of you, atheists, resentful African Americans or feminists.  To youall I could add illegal aliens, LGBTs, anti-capitalists, and who the **** ever has a pampered entitled view of the world and a sense of their inflated self-importance in it.  Get the hell out of the USA and good luck finding yourselves a better country.  Maybe, just maybe, if we could be rid of the most egregious complainers and do-nothings, we might be able to salvage a tomorrow for our children.  Unfortunately, or fortunately for your ungrateful carcasses, America continues to shelter you in her protective arms and tolerate your every heedless expectation of her continued support no matter how petulant, shrill, whiny and unappreciative you NEVER CEASE to be.

For once in your heedless lives, can't you JUST SHUT THE **** UP and spend the damn money, motto and all, a whole lot of you are getting from beleaguered taxpaying churchgoers. :banghead:

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Re: "IN GOD WE TRUST" Must go!
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2015, 10:23:49 AM »
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And H5 to boot!

Thanks, BSS.  Don't you just love how, while the Christians and Jews in the Middle East are being murdered in the most heinous of ways, these mental midgets are wailing about the evvvvvvvvvvvil Christians in this country?
How ironic while they are so "violated" by seeing a motto, their fellow atheist Putin is busy doing more than Oblama and the rest of the world to at least TRY to save some Christians who are experiencing persecution and peril the likes of which these pansy waists wouldn't withstand for one second.  They'd be prostrating themselves to Mecca five times a day to save their worthless carcasses
instead.
Actually, I'm not even positive Putin is an atheist although the old Soviet Union was nominally godless.  Although he's intervening in the Mid East for his own nation's good as he sees it that's 1000% more than our shit for brains president can be bothered to do; having created the problem, like all good dims he's out playing, probably with himself, while someone else attempts to clean up his mess.

Nothing like watching another nation's LEADER change the diapers of our tantrum throwing, petty churl of a TODDLER.
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