We should start using this...
ram2008 (627 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251604197
Hillary's inability to answer ANYTHING directly is infuriating and will be her undoing.
Time and time again Hillary refuses to be direct with what exactly her positions are, where she stands, or what she plans on doing. She will answer a question like a lawyer in a courtroom and refuse to give anything substantial for fear of being tied down. This amount of scriptedness and inability to actually LEAD will be her undoing either in the primary or the General election.
Her Keystone pipeline non-answer today was absolutely ridiculous, and so was her failure to actually call for more debates, so I did a bit of digging and found a pattern.
On Keystone XL (no this is not the onion):
“I have been waiting for the administration to make a decision,†she told a town hall crowd at the Concord Boys and Girls Club in New Hampshire. “I can't wait too much longer. And I am putting the White House on notice. I am going to tell you what I think soon because I can’t wait.â€
On Debates:
“I have said from the very beginning I look forward to debating,†Clinton said. “I will certainly show up anywhere the Democratic National Committee tells us to show up. Because I want us to have a good exchange of ideas and to make sure that Democratic voters first, and then general voters to follow, see exactly what we stand for and what our positions are.â€
On Glass Steagal:
"I am not interested in just saying there’s one answer to the too-big-to-fail problem," Clinton said. "We have a too-big-to-fail problem still and we have to figure out the best way to address it, and I will be talking more about that. But I am not going to be pointing at any one change and saying, you know, ‘that’ll solve all our problems.’ Because I just don’t think that is an accurate assessment."
On TPP
"...we need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP. Australia is a critical partner. This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field."
"The president should listen to and work with his allies in Congress, starting with Nancy Pelosi, who had expressed their concerns about the impact that a weak agreement would have on our workers to make sure we get the best, strongest deal possible,"
"There are some specifics in there that could and should be changed. So I am hoping that's what happens now -- let's take the lemons and turn it into lemonade,"
On her server being wiped:
"I don't know how it works digitally... like with a cloth or something?"
On whether or not her husbands crime bill perpetuated racism:
"I do think that a lot of what was tried and how it was implemented has not produced the kinds of outcomes that any of us would want," she said. "But I also believe that there are systemic issues of race and justice that go deeper than any particular law."
On Medical Marijuana:
"I'm a big believer in acquiring evidence, and I think we should see what kind of results we get, both from medical marijuana and from recreational marijuana, before we make any far-reaching conclusions," Clinton told KPCC in July
On NSA spying:
"But I do want you to get the bad guys, because I don't want them to use social media, to use communications devices invented right here to plot against us. So let's draw the line. And I think it's hard if everybody's in their corner. So I resist saying it has to be this or that. I want us to come to a better balance."
The list goes on and on and on... notice a pattern? I'm sure you all can find other cases of this.
VRWC trolling right there, Cavedude.
Fred Sanders (17,036 posts)
2. 7 out of context snippets each logically unworthy of any conclusion sown together to reach another conclusion?
And have folks checked the calander?
The depths to which some will go......it is amusing, have to grant you that.
Everything is out of context/heavily edited/just plain lies with the [D]s...
if they could just get their real message out to the people...
Fred Sanders (17,036 posts)
7. The OP is a logical trainwreck, there is nothing to discuss, which was my point.
Being outraged all the time means no one is going to care when a real outrage happens
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Fred Sanders (17,036 posts)
24. There are 7 clipped quotes to reach 7 conclusions in the post, and 1 final one, all unconvincing, that is all I am saying.
Though, I might add the Keystone pipeline is an abomination.
I have written several posts on the carbon impact of heavy Alberta tar sands crude being transported across America in vast quantities and now available for export.
I am not pleased that Clinton is not more clear in this, but there is plenty of time for clarity and persuasion.
I can dig my posts up for you if you like, I am very familiar with the topic and it is a very important issue, politically and environmentally.
What is your position?
Fred Sanders (17,036 posts)
48. Believe me, I am as passionate about the Keystone pipeline as any other thing. If Clinton comes out supporting it I am going to have to re-evaluate, but I think she agrees fully with Obama....she does at least need to say that soon.
In the meantime I believe she is not "waffling" - a loaded term, inappropriately used - she is not willing to take a major policy position while her ex-boss still has 18 months in his term of President.
I am of the belief that is the respectful and honorable and graceful thing to do, and she does it despite the criticism she knew that would attract.
That is my opinion.
Rugby World Cup opening game is on.
Talk to you later!
Bubzer (558 posts) <--- low post count obvious Caver Troll
55. I dont understand.
How exactly are:
~ Keystone XL, an attempt to utterly destroy the environment for addition profits of the vile and anti democratic Koch Brothers... who will in turn ensure that women and PoC continue to get oppressed,
~ Debates, the gold standard for determining the worthiness of a candidate is being arbitrarily set by someone with a known bias, and inappropriately attempting to influence the outcome of the vote. This is the epitome of being undemocratic.
~ Glass Steagal, the repeal of which opened the floodgates to allow all the actions that precipitated and caused the recession. An issue which cuts to the lifeblood of this country.
~ TPP, the single most dangerous consideration that has come to light in a very long time. It has the capability of making the recession experienced through the repeal of Glass Steagal seem like a pleasant dream filled with clouds and fluffy bunnies by comparison.
~ NSA spying, performing illegal spying. Possibly manipulating gathered data to discredit people they don't like. Certainly gobbling up all your phone and internet usage data, without even so much as a "by your leave".
all issues that don't deserve real outrage?
To be honest all this time I thought they were saying Glass Seagull.
sabrina 1 (57,786 posts)
3. Why is she 'putting the administration on notice'?? What does the administration
have to do with HER decisions?
I don't get it, do they think we are stupid?
We KNOW what the right decision on the Keystone Pipeline has to be.
How about LEADING for a change?
How about not blaming other people for decisions you make, such as her finger pointing at Biden re the Credit Card bill?
I agree, it IS infuriating and frankly if my candidate were doing this he wouldn't be my candidate.
MattP (595 posts)
8. I can't believe the interview with Wolf
Why wouldn't she just call Carly a liar, that interview made me want to put my head through a wall
I wish Hill would. Then Carly can just play the tapes with Hill's statement running behind it...
leftofcool (10,893 posts)
13. Hillary has too much class to call anyone a liar.
She will eventually do so but it she will use better words. Carley won't even know what hit her.
Hit her? What... with like a rag or something?
SonderWoman (1,072 posts)
26. Ah, more insults from the Bernie crowd.
I'm sensing a campaign theme
backscatter712 (23,303 posts)
22. Hillary is desperate to avoid debates.
She still remembers Obama eating her alive on the debate floors in 2008, and because she knows her positions on issues like the NSA or TPP are ones her base and the American voters won't like, the last thing she wants is a fair debate.
She knows she'll get called out on her lies, she knows she'll get shellacked by Bernie, so she's having her toady Debbie Wasserman-Schultz block as much debating as possible.
And it's sinking the entire party. The Republicans get to spew their lies and propaganda unchallenged, while the Democrats sit silent and cede ground to them.
When the primaries are over, if Hillary is the nominee, the right-wing and the corporate media wurlitzer are going to turn the Swiftboating machine on her, and she will not be able to shrug it off. She'll try the same lame tactics John Kerry tried, and get pasted.
Android3.14 (3,171 posts)
82. It shows her cowardice and lack of conviction
But at least she put the White House "on notice".
What a total loser.
ouch
