nadinbrzezinski (139,948 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251484456
On racist meme, and yes racial profiling
Yesterday Villager posted a story I wrote from the event in San Diego. Immediately, some of you went there. This is not a diverse crowd, all white, yada, yada, yada.
Here is the thread...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=483041
I want to make a point that those of you engaging in this are missing. Myself, and I am just talking for myself, when you make that statement... I know you are not talking for Hillary Clinton. You are talking for yourself. You are leaving the impression on me, that you are willing to use ... well, let's not be polite, racist arguments, and people who make those arguments are likely racist. (And yes, I already have seen coded antisemitism here as well, no surprise there)
But REPUBLICANS ARE RACIST... I hear... yes, yes they are. And also quite a few democrats. Time for some self reflection is in order.
I jumped in, when I did not intend to, because of the very overt and ugly racism that was on display.
For some partisans you are speaking for the campaign. ergo representing Clinton. (Which admittedly is not a good thing either if you are trying to attract people to Clinton's campaign) As far as I am concerned, you are speaking for yourselves. I don't expect you to stop, but if even one of you gets it, and stops with the race baiting, the likely alert, and likely hide will be worth it.
Have a good day.
olddots (7,641 posts)
1. Nadin you are one of the reasons I stay here
thinking critically is probably the most important thing humans do .
That, folks, is how you troll.
nadinbrzezinski (139,948 posts)
2. Yeah, it is critical, but I am getting so damn tired of this bullshit that is quite frankly, tolerated.
Coded antisemitism should not be tolerated, nor should open racism. Quite frankly, I read plenty of that at Stormfront and Free Republic... I guess I have to admit that it is pervasive here too. Has been forever, It is the log in the eye, when we are pointing to the small twig on the other side. <---Yiddish proverb?
It is structural, and if we are to get rid of racism, we need to first admit that we have a problem.
Commas, bitch!?! Do you know, how to, use them?
nadinbrzezinski (139,948 posts)
8. When people talk of white priviledge and structural racism this is exactly one of the things we are talking about. When people can and do, make these kinds of statements and are not even aware (giving benefit of the doubt) how they sound, and what they are.
BainsBane (33,109 posts)
32. You are speaking of people who post regularly on the subject of racism
Yet you claim they don't really care. Some Sanders supporters have denounced Black Lives Matters as a Koch conspiracy, as insignificant compared to the political fortunes of one man. They have insulted African American members of this site as "race naggers" and likened them to "Lee Atwater." They have called the BLM activists "thugs" and made comments about their activists like "she so booshie." [ ] But you, in your infinite knowledge, insist those activists and their supporters have no concern about their own lives, about the survival of their community, and are instead just pretending to care.
Then there are white allies, myself included, who have for some time, much longer than this primary season, posted on this site regularly about racism and have taken a great deal of shit from many members for doing so. Yet you claim none of this actually exists, that what matters is not any concern for black lives or racial equality but instead a nefarious plot to undermine one politician.
Then you claim social media is full of AAs telling BLM to back off because Bernie is the one who will save them. What black activists Twitter feeds have you looked at? I have not seen black people telling those activists to shut up and fall in line behind Bernie. I have seen demands that ALL the CANDIDATES address their concern, that they #earnthisdamnvoteorlose. That is not to say that Sanders doesn't have some black supporters. Of course he does. But there is clearly a larger, more extensive movement of African Americans to use their votes as a block to advance their concerns. They are engaging in the most important social movement taking place in this country right now, a truly LEFTIST movement protesting an epidemic of murder under color of police authority. That protest is not mere pretext to take down Sanders. In terms of what matters in this word and this country, politicians rank very low, certainly for leftists engaged in social activism. Lives and Issues are far, far more important.
In another thread you laughed at concern over the POSUCS remark and said you hoped you would never be so personally invested in a politician. Well I submit that what you are doing here in insisting that activists and their allies do not really care about racist violence and killings goes far beyond what you criticized.
As for the thread, the issue for me was the invention of a title that did not reflect the point of the article but rather seized on the very last sentence of the piece. That was clearly an effort to advance a political agenda, and the OP got criticized for it. Now I understand some here believe themselves to important to be subject to criticism, that they should be able to say whatever they want about other candidates, other members, and never be called on it. I understand that notion of a hierarchy of human worth is central to the political ethos of some. Being a leftist, I don't accept such presumptions of superiority. I believe all human beings are equal, and that everyone is allowed to raise criticism. If people find that so intolerable, they can post in their protected groups, but when they are in GD-P, they will face different points of view. That is the nature of open political discussion.
ugh.... Frank, do you gag her when you **** her?
Nye Bevan (20,764 posts)
6. Jury results (I was #5):
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On Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
On racist meme, and yes racial profiling
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251484456
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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This post is just stirring the pot and continuing an argument from her previous thread.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:24 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
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Explanation: It isn't disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. If we hid all the comments that stir pots or carry on prior arguments, there would be more jury action than posting. Let it go.
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Yes, the haters, and bullies, were out in force, to alert stalk, our NADIN.
nadinbrzezinski (139,948 posts)
7. Thanks and I love it, since it was not even MY OP And I did indeed expect this to be hidden.
nadinbrzezinski (139,948 posts)
14. Yes it does need to stop but the first step is to understand how extensive and deep the problem is. Self awareness is critical. At RSD we have been covering quite a bit of issues of race and PoC issues, so I admit... I have grown on the issue in the sense that I was in my own bubble. Now I am far more aware (and educated) on the issues.
I also will add. I have yet to learn all there is, nor do I think that is possible. Some of it is language, and how whistles are missed by those who are not part of the group. That said, I am wiling to learn. And yes, I will sit down with people from other cultures and well... LISTEN
She is, wiling, to learn.
BainsBane (33,109 posts)
31. What exactly is the racism, Nadin?
Last edited Sat Aug 1, 2015, 05:25 AM - Edit history (2)
Who was the victim of the great oppressive racism? Was it the person who created a misleading title that was not the subject or point of the article in order to advance a particular agenda, and then was called on that fact?
Was that poor white person the victim of horrible racism? Was the racism observing that the audience did not appear to be nearly as diverse as the American public at large or certainly the average Democratic party gathering?
What precisely is this definition of racism? How is that so much more offensive than denouncing Black Lives Matters as a Koch conspiracy, or announcing that black people who post about the concerns of their community are "Lee Atwaters," "race naggers," and simply milking something they don't really care about--like their lives--for political gain? How is it that the people who suffer most from racism are not the black people gunned down in the streets but white people who seek to pretend that they are the ones who know what is best for African Americans, too uninformed to be able to determine their own political interests?
Why don't you provide some quotes of this "blatant racism on display" and tell us who precisely were the targets of that racism?
Racial profiling? The OP wrote a title announcing the gathering as "multicultural." His purpose in inventing that title was to promote the idea that Sanders was drawing from an ethnically diverse base of support. How is it profiling to interrogate that title or his assessment of the event?
Frank!!! Control your woman.
NCTraveler (7,404 posts)
33. You get it with this post.
Instead of clarity, as Nadine often supplies in her writing, [ 
] this left more questions than answers. This is very personal and is a real cheap shot based in overall misconception and the fact that when their headline includes race, that people on this board who have provided such positive conversations on race would actually do so in her post. As if they are above reproach. It was an attempt to make it something more. Really offensive is what it is. But stop and listen Baines, the smartest person in the room is lecturing.
There really are a couple of offensive posts to the op being mentioned. It simply doesn't rise to the level of blanket condemnation as is being attempted here.
