Where most see a slippery slope Proglodytes see water amusement park

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

And they can't wait to try out every attraction!






Note how many individual posters are advocating for polygamy and incest.

This isn't one or two oddballs making DU look nutty; this is the mainstream of their thought.

DemocratSinceBirth (55,163 posts)

It's time to stop equating marriage equality with polygamy
 
 You are born heterosexual or homosexual. You are not born a polygamist. Equating marriage equality and polygamy strikes me as a right wing trope to delegitimize the former.


Carry on...

Chan790 (17,782 posts)

23. Hmm.

Has it ever occurred to you that some of us legitimately support the concept of poly marriage and view anti-poly-marriage sentiments as totally analogous to anti-SSM sentiments? That for some of us...this was always going to be the next fight?

Also, formalized non-monogamy (the kind which in theory would lead to poly marriages if it were legal) is more common proportionally among LGBTQ individuals than heterosexuals. Your argument above is a standard slander which supporters of poly marriage face and has no more validity than the arguments made that SSM would delegitimize marriage between heterosexuals.

immoderate (18,845 posts)

58. No matter how it's used, there nothing special about monogamy.

cherokeeprogressive (19,594 posts)

4. Equality is equality. For everyone.

DemocratSinceBirth (55,163 posts)

6. So can I marry my sister?/nt

cherokeeprogressive (19,594 posts)

7. I would not stop you.

TreasonousBastard (25,533 posts)

31. There are potential medical problems with that...
 
besides being icky.

But, ethically, no fundamental problem, so why not your mother?

Duckhunter935 (8,233 posts)

35. If you want to

I have no objection

morningfog (11,443 posts)

102. As long as you are both of age and consent,I don't see why not.

Quackers (514 posts)

8. Some are born bi-sexual.
 
If three people are attracted to each other, what's the issue?

NOVA_Dem (603 posts)

27. Acknowledging that SSM might lead to legitimizing polygamy was seen as harmful to the movement.

That's the only reason I can think of for all the feigned indignation.

The word you're looking for is: LIE

MillennialDem (1,104 posts)

10. You may not be born a polygamist, but it's still a freedom issue.

On any other issue it would have been spelled freedumb

Chan790 (17,782 posts)

26. There's actually substantial proof that people are born poly.

Mind you, the anti-poly don't care...it's socially acceptable to be bigoted against the non-monogamous for wanting to expand marriage to fully-extend to their relationships.

Fred Sanders (13,735 posts)

22. Polygamy advocates on DU, DemocratSinceBirth? Who would have thunk? Some folks are WithoutLogicSinceBirth.
 
I guess the separation of biological law from religious edicts and man-made law is too much to grasp for some.

NOVA_Dem (603 posts)

25. Why are people against polygamy using the same rhetorical tactics of the right?

The first thing they say is that it will lead to people marrying dogs and incest.

And we were right from the very beginning.

guillaumeb (2,494 posts)

29. If the phrase "marriage equality" truly means what it literally says,

ANY marriage must be treated the same as any other. I am reading some of the same arguments against polygamy/polyamory here that I have read and heard made by right-wingers in the corporate media.

Arguments about the supposed legal/financial/logistical problems of dealing with a multiple marriage are no different from those dealing with the multiply married.

As an example, Newt Gingrich has been married 3 times. If he had had children from the marriages, a scary thought indeed, upon his death there could be inheritance issues. That is why we have a legal system.

If a poster at DU truly believes in marriage equality, then all forms of marriage must be protected and allowed.

Cryptoad (2,993 posts)

46. Who has the right ,,,,,,
 
to make a moral judgement that one is right and one is wrong,,,,,,Aint none of my business either way

Could someone please point to a Proglodyte policy position that doesn't make an underlying moral edict.

jtuck004 (11,745 posts)

47. We aren't born hating either, but we manage to teach it fairly quickly. n/t

Ah yes, the ol' "I you don't applaud then you are a hater" binary framing.

BKH70041 (707 posts)

51. Who's equating?
 
Not me.

But, if consenting adults agree that's what they want, then let them. What's it any of my business? It's called freedom.

For all those who are always taking the most progressive angle, permitting it is the position to take. Start living up to what you label yourselves.

I wish all these "consenting adult" arguments could be applied to paying taxes to support welfare moochers.

MADem (113,021 posts)

52. People that do this are repeating wingnut memes. Just consider the source, and respond
 
accordingly.

By their words we shall know them.

You're a little late to the party asshole.

Did you happen to notice all the posts before yours that are now making this very same argument?

4now (841 posts)

54. It is shocking when you see liberals behave like Conservatives

Star Member DemocratSinceBirth (55,163 posts)

66. I didn't know being a liberal and believing a son shouldn't be allowed to marry his mom...

I didn't know being a liberal and believing a son shouldn't be allowed to marry his mom are mutually exclusive.

4now (841 posts)

72. No need for fear and hatred - Its just love

4now (841 posts)

79. I draw the line at bigotry

not condoning incest = bigotry

mopinko (44,310 posts)

55. humans love in many flavors.
 
can you be born poly? well, since human kind has been marrying in this way as far back as we can see, right up to today, i would have to take a crack at born this way.
in much of the world it is common still.

sexuality is pretty much hard wired, tho it can be influenced by variety of factors, it is pretty much hard wired, imho.
and one need only look around the world at the flavors that love comes in.
that would be what normal is.

Horny, horny hippos

Quixote1818 (17,889 posts)

56. Would you want to break up a happy polygamist marriage?

First of all, I am not equating it with Gay Marriage any more than with "Traditional" Marriages. Your argument is a false dichotomy.

Some polygamist marriages work really well for people and I would not want to deny them what makes them happy just as I would not want to deny Gays from getting married and finding happiness. It's none of my business and believe me polygamy is not my kind of thing.

On the other hand, I do think polygamy can be destructive in many instances because it can be used to control women, especially when it comes to Religion. So I think it's an issue that should be handled carefully.

I also don't see a huge push by polygamists demanding the opportunity to marry so this is really a none issue. It's a tiny fragment of the population that is into this type of thing and those into it don't seem to be promoting it or demanding it so why are we eve talking about it?

smiley (778 posts)

61. In the course of human history...

monogamy is a fairly new concept. But that doesn't make it the only way or the best way. And why should it matter how you were born? If someone decides they love more than one person and they want to enter into marriage saying so, then why not? Other than the fact that the law currently states that only 2 people at a time can enter into this contract, I see nothing wrong with it, as long as all adults are consenting. Sure societal problems may arise from this union, but they also may not. Who am I too judge though?

Monogamy is PROGRESSIVE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026939750


These idiots call themselves Progressives but what they are advocating is a degenerate life philosophy. I don't mean degenerate as a pejorative but in the literal sense.

When humanity first arose it was unshackled to do whatever it wanted. Faggotry, incest, pederasty, bestiality and polygamy WERE THE NORM.

It was heterosexual monogamy that brought us today's advanced civilizations.

To strip that away will be to return us to a savage world where you idiots are not fit to survive.

You are degenerates in every sense of the word.

[miskie]

Its such a shame that Fister has gone to DU heaven so many years ago - because this is his time to shine !

Imagine the fun if pizza hand't been served - It had the potential to be award winning !

[JohnnyReb]

Free love brought us HERPES, homosexuality brought us AIDS, I'm just glad I'm to old to catch what this shit will bring us.

[SVPete]

It would be highly entertaining to watch the, "We've been duped!" DU-folk who imagined this was really only about SSM squabbling with the, "Well, why not?" and, "Now that we've got our club, let's go after ______!" DU-folk, were their amusement park not the entire US!

[SVPete]

Free love brought us HERPES, homosexuality brought us AIDS, I'm just glad I'm to old to catch what this shit will bring us.

"Free love" and "no-fault divorce" brought us a generation (or two?) with many fatherless children, who had two houses, but no home. The "Great Society" brought us multi-generational dependence of government as a "lifestyle". The last 5 decades or so of social tinkering have been and brought unmitigated disasters!

[freedumb2003b]

DemocratSinceBirth (55,163 posts)

6. So can I marry my sister?/nt

cherokeeprogressive (19,594 posts)

7. I would not stop you.

TreasonousBastard (25,533 posts)

31. There are potential medical problems with that...
 
besides being icky.

But, ethically, no fundamental problem, so why not your mother?

There are no more medical problems with having sex with one's mother than there is with putting your johnson in another guy's ahole.  As for reproduction, gay "marriage" took that issue off the table.

And as far as icky, there is nothing more icky than gay sex.

(I am making the arguments -- my mom has passed and I never felt oedipal). 

Bottom line: the arguments for gay "marriage" can be applied exactly to incest and poly.  And will be.  Soon.

[Big Dog]

And as far as icky, there is nothing more icky than gay sex.

Except for gay sex between hot lesbians.



Know what I mean? Know what I mean?

[BlueStateSaint]

Except for gay sex between hot lesbians.



Know what I mean? Know what I mean?

 

[Mr Mannn]

I know for a fact that if I had 14 wives, they would all be mad at me at the same time.

So not worth it.

[Big Dog]

I know for a fact that if I had 14 wives, they would all be mad at me at the same time.

So not worth it.

It does work out that way. Kind of a built-in punishment for polygyny.

[Carl]

Where are the Klams on this?
Polygamy does not favor women.

[I_B_Perky]

I know for a fact that if I had 14 wives, they would all be mad at me at the same time.

So not worth it.

It does work out that way. Kind of a built-in punishment for polygyny.

That was the first thing I thought of.  Bad enough when you got one pissed at you, expensive too.  I cannot fathom having to go to the florist and telling then I need multiple dozens of roses, and calling the expensive restaurant and tell them you need reservation for you and your 4 wives.

And oh lord what happens when their time of the month all happens at the same time? Then after all that you get to deal with menopause?  Forget that shit!

There is a reason that men die earlier than their wives... it is because they want to! Multiply that by 4?

No thanks!!!!

[landofconfusion80]

There are no more medical problems with having sex with one's mother than there is with putting your johnson in another guy's ahole.  As for reproduction, gay "marriage" took that issue off the table.

And as far as icky, there is nothing more icky than gay sex.

(I am making the arguments -- my mom has passed and I never felt oedipal). 

Bottom line: the arguments for gay "marriage" can be applied exactly to incest and poly.  And will be.  Soon.

the supreme court just legitimized a mental disorder called coprophilia.

[thundley4]

morningfog (11,443 posts)

102. As long as you are both of age and consent,I don't see why not.

Not to worry, the left is working on lowering the age of consent, also.  Liberals are born pedophiles.


However, there is some truth to the idea that polygamy is a more natural act than monogamy, but it was also necessitated by the survival of the species. The more virile and manly men simply made the early liberal men their bitches, neutered them and made them keep the cave clean for the conservative cave man's clan.

[JohnnyReb]

Not to worry, the left is working on lowering the age of consent, also.  Liberals are born pedophiles.
However, there is some truth to the idea that polygamy is a more natural act than monogamy, but it was also necessitated by the survival of the species. The more virile and manly men simply made the early liberal men their bitches, neutered them and made them keep the cave clean for the conservative cave man's clan.

Ruth Bader-Ginsberge(don't care wheather I spelled it right or not) once wrote that the age of consent for girls should be 12 years of age.....and that was before she got on the Supreme Court.

[txradioguy]

Not to worry, the left is working on lowering the age of consent, also.  Liberals are born pedophiles.


However, there is some truth to the idea that polygamy is a more natural act than monogamy, but it was also necessitated by the survival of the species. The more virile and manly men simply made the early liberal men their bitches, neutered them and made them keep the cave clean for the conservative cave man's clan.

And in the states where there is a consent age that's too high for the perverts taste...they can always find someone willing to sign guardianship of their minor over to that person to get them out of the house.

[USA4ME]

Been reading the threads on the island involving marriage of more than 2 and it's amazing how many of the primitives are rejecting the same arguments that were used to sell twinkie marriage. All of a sudden, they've decided that a line in the sand must be drawn and that's it; as if once the wildcat has been let out of the bag they can control where it goes.

One of their main arguments was that twinkie marriage would never lead to marriages being defined as more than just 2 people. But it will.

Bottom line is a bunch of us told them this would eventually happen over a period of years, and now they'll intentionally try to set up road blocks to stop their own liberal ideology from going further just so we won't be able to get in their face and remind them how we were right and how stupid they are.

Because they hate us doing that, you know. They really, really, really hate it when we remind them how stupid they are.

But like everything else, we'll be proven to be right.

.