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Offline CC27

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(******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« on: July 01, 2015, 10:39:19 AM »
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(******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****" . . . . . and it is MY


and it is MY "deeply-rooted conviction that my tax dollars should not have to go to pay the salary of a government employee who refuses to do her/his job based on "religious convictions." you damned, bigoted, ignorant, hate-filled cretins have no problem sucking at the secular, public teat so long as it suits you, but then whine about your damned "religious convictions", as though that has any bearing on doing your SECULAR, TAX-PAYER funded job.

if your "religious convictions" are so damned powerful and deeply-rooted, get a job in a church (oops, I forgot, probably doesn't pay nearly as well as sucking at the SECULAR, PUBLIC teat)

Does that include Muslims or just the fundies you hate?

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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2015, 10:45:43 AM »
Obama has refused to enforce many laws that he was sworn to uphold.  :rant:
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 10:56:33 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on July 01, 2015, 10:45:43 AM
Obama has refused to enforce many laws that he was sworn to uphold.  :rant:
But that's different.
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 10:58:32 AM »
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the First Amendment's Free Exercise Clause sucks, but don't worry, the courts have almost blotted it out of the US Constitution (as amended). This newly created "right" may just be the last load of straws that can be used to break that part of the First Amendment.
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2015, 06:09:08 PM »
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(******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****" . . . . . and it is MY


and it is MY "deeply-rooted conviction that my tax dollars should not have to go to pay the salary of a government employee who refuses to do her/his job based on "religious convictions." you damned, bigoted, ignorant, hate-filled cretins have no problem sucking at the secular, public teat so long as it suits you, but then whine about your damned "religious convictions", as though that has any bearing on doing your SECULAR, TAX-PAYER funded job.

if your "religious convictions" are so damned powerful and deeply-rooted, get a job in a church (oops, I forgot, probably doesn't pay nearly as well as sucking at the SECULAR, PUBLIC teat)

It is my deep rooted conviction that my tax dollars should not go to pay for people who will not work for their keep.  You damned lazy, bigoted, ignorant, hate filled dummies have no problem sucking up money taken by threat of imprisonment from the people that earn it when it suits you, but then whine when you think it is not enough.  If your entitlement mentality thinks you ought to have more money, then GET A JOB AND EARN IT. Oops, I forgot... dummies could not pour piss out of a boot with the instruction on the heel.

See how that works, dummie?
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2015, 06:11:04 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on July 01, 2015, 10:45:43 AM
Obama has refused to enforce many laws that he was sworn to uphold.  :rant:

Touché  :D --- ^5 delivered.
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2015, 06:40:40 PM »
 :cheersmate: at Perky
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2015, 06:59:24 PM »
Quote from: I_B_Perky on July 01, 2015, 06:09:08 PM
It is my deep rooted conviction that my tax dollars should not go to pay for people who will not work for their keep.  You damned lazy, bigoted, ignorant, hate filled dummies have no problem sucking up money taken by threat of imprisonment from the people that earn it when it suits you, but then whine when you think it is not enough.  If your entitlement mentality thinks you ought to have more money, then GET A JOB AND EARN IT. Oops, I forgot... dummies could not pour piss out of a boot with the instruction on the heel.

See how that works, dummie?

You, Mr. Perky, get a ^5 for that.
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2015, 07:16:57 PM »
I am going to risk the incoming on this one.

I think a public servant such as a licensing clerk should do their job irrespective of their religious leanings.  This isn't a cake or a catering situation where it is a voluntary agreement between 2 parties.  Filing paperwork for a legal transaction is an obligation required by the job.

Refusing a legal marriage license on religious grounds is the same as refusing a driver's license or even a birth certificate.  There is no alternative for the filer.  In this case the clerk is an automaton, like it or not.

Same thing for Justice of the Peace.  A minister can (and should) refuse to sanction under God homosexual "marriages."  The county clerk has no such relief under the state.

Can you imagine a Quaker refusing to file a gun permit? (btw: I know we have analogies flying fast and furious all over the place).

The DUmmies make their point incorrectly, but there is a point here.

OK, bring it.
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2015, 07:22:53 PM »
No "in coming" on that. We understand that.
You're just the first to say it.  :)
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2015, 08:21:01 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003b on July 01, 2015, 07:16:57 PM
I am going to risk the incoming on this one.

I think a public servant such as a licensing clerk should do their job irrespective of their religious leanings.  This isn't a cake or a catering situation where it is a voluntary agreement between 2 parties.  Filing paperwork for a legal transaction is an obligation required by the job.

Refusing a legal marriage license on religious grounds is the same as refusing a driver's license or even a birth certificate.  There is no alternative for the filer.  In this case the clerk is an automaton, like it or not.

Same thing for Justice of the Peace.  A minister can (and should) refuse to sanction under God homosexual "marriages."  The county clerk has no such relief under the state.

Can you imagine a Quaker refusing to file a gun permit? (btw: I know we have analogies flying fast and furious all over the place).

The DUmmies make their point incorrectly, but there is a point here.

OK, bring it.

However, there was one case recently where the clerk couldn't issue a license, because there was no forms available for same sex couples.  Most wedding license forms ask for the man's name and the woman's name, not him and him a or her and her.
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2015, 09:26:11 PM »
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(******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****" . . . . . and it is MY


and it is MY "deeply-rooted conviction that my tax dollars should not have to go to pay the salary of a government employee who refuses to do her/his job based on "religious convictions." you damned, bigoted, ignorant, hate-filled cretins have no problem sucking at the secular, public teat so long as it suits you, but then whine about your damned "religious convictions", as though that has any bearing on doing your SECULAR, TAX-PAYER funded job.

if your "religious convictions" are so damned powerful and deeply-rooted, get a job in a church (oops, I forgot, probably doesn't pay nearly as well as sucking at the SECULAR, PUBLIC teat)

Leftists do not have convictions. They delude themselves into thinking that. They just go what is convenient.
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2015, 09:47:51 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003b on July 01, 2015, 07:16:57 PM
I am going to risk the incoming on this one.

I think a public servant such as a licensing clerk should do their job irrespective of their religious leanings.  This isn't a cake or a catering situation where it is a voluntary agreement between 2 parties.  Filing paperwork for a legal transaction is an obligation required by the job.

Refusing a legal marriage license on religious grounds is the same as refusing a driver's license or even a birth certificate.  There is no alternative for the filer.  In this case the clerk is an automaton, like it or not.

Same thing for Justice of the Peace.  A minister can (and should) refuse to sanction under God homosexual "marriages."  The county clerk has no such relief under the state.

Can you imagine a Quaker refusing to file a gun permit? (btw: I know we have analogies flying fast and furious all over the place).

The DUmmies make their point incorrectly, but there is a point here.

OK, bring it.

Eh, if the people voted for it, or the elected officials voted for it, I would agree with you.  The SC has once again usurped states' rights.  At some point, civil disobedience is necessary.
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Re: (******* "It's a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won't allow me*****"
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2015, 08:38:08 AM »
Quote from: HawkHogan on July 01, 2015, 09:47:51 PM
Eh, if the people voted for it, or the elected officials voted for it, I would agree with you.  The SC has once again usurped states' rights.  At some point, civil disobedience is necessary.

I agree.
The same applies to the military service member.
They are to follow all legal orders.
They are to refuse to follow illegal orders.
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