http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3678430Oh my.
The first is just an excerpt from the original post, much of which takes us to task for our "racism," and applauds the primitives for their "tolerance;" just a bunch of nonsense.
It's a "news" article, not the comments of the marmalade primitive.
marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-25-08 10:34 PM
Original message
Jack Ass Designer Creates Racist Attack on Obama, Charges $69 Dollars
.....My first personal contact with this blatant racism came yesterday upon hearing about a particular clothing designer on Manhattan's Lower East Side who sells t-shirts that read, "Obama is my Slave." The designer, Doron Braunshtein aka Apollo Braun, has also made shirts that read "Obama= Hitler" and "Who Killed Obama?" If this is an attempt to shock and to gain publicity, it has served the designer's goal through numerous blog posts and news articles, many written in a tone of outrage. The "Obama is My Slave" t-shirt had gained publicity after it was reported that a woman wearing the t-shirt had been assaulted by a group of black teenage girls at Union Square.
After reading the news and blog accounts, I went down to this man's shop to confirm the story. I did not go as a journalist. I went as a concerned citizen that wanted some answers. I walked through the main entrance where an "Obama is my Slave" t-shirt was proudly displayed and asked him if the story was true. Did a woman really get assaulted at Union Square for wearing his "Obama is My Slave" t-shirt? Yes, unfortunately it was true, he said. The two women customers in the shop cooed with sympathy for the poor t-shirt designer. I asked him if he understood why someone would react that way. He says it doesn't matter because "this is America." I ask him if there is no responsibility attached to the freedom of speech and he gives me the same spiel. I then tell him I think his shirt is disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself. That was my freedom of speech on display. The women looked shocked.
That's when he boots me out of his store. He points to the camera and says I need to watch myself, and that I should never show my face again in his store. I just say I'm not here to do anything but register my protest, and tell him that there are plenty of other people that are going to do exactly the same. .......(more)
awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. "some people are just assholes"
Uh uh. Like the assholes wearing all those tee-shirts, sticking on all those bumper-stickers, carrying all those "protest" banners and signs, saying untrue things about George Bush.
What's good for the gander is good for the goose.
sheeptramp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #4
46. How many minutes until the Secret Service visits me.....
if I step out in a "WHO KILLED BUSH?" T-Shirt?
In George Bush's America, probably not until.....until, well, 2054 or something.
newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-25-08 10:51 PM
Response to Original message
5. Why hasn't this racist piece of shit been deported yet?
Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-25-08 11:22 PM
Response to Original message
9. Gee, an Israeli could be a bigot? (but he is making money off of it)
His green card needs to be revoked and his citizen attempt denied.
Sorry folks, we have enough of these assholes in this country and we don't need to import more. He is an Fascist and a race monger.
Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-25-08 11:25 PM
Response to Original message
10. Publicity is exactly what the "designer/artist" seeks. From NY Mag:
"How to Succeed in the Offensive-T-shirt Business by Really, Really Trying"
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/07/how_to_succeed_in_...
For the record, in case one didn't know, Pedro Picasso himself is in the offensive tee-shirt business.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #10
16. **** him evoke his green card
What the **** does he bring to this nation?
ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-25-08 11:26 PM
Response to Original message
11. who the **** pays $69 for a shirt?
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-25-08 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. depends on the shirt
this kinda shirt? ****ing assholes with too much money.
It's a reasonably-sized primitive bonfire.
sheeptramp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #20
50. Like the NewYorker Cover.
Satire.
No. I do not "get it".
Frankly, I hope I never do.
And then uh-uh, dispute and disarray among the primitives:
datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 01:12 PM
Response to Original message
29. his speech (tshirts) is protected speech
period.
people who get offended by this shit crack me up.
buncha finger waving ninnies.
Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Yes, it is protected speech.
However, it is people's right to be offended by it. Personally, I find it is very offensive and bigoted. What I find more troubling is the reaction of some to the t-shirt's racist rantings with bigoted rantings of their own.
datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. you don't have a right to not be offended
this isn't YOUR world, it doesn't conform to YOUR wishes.
you live in it like the rest of us.
maybe consumerism has taught too many of us that our daily lives, perception, and reality are customizable, tailor-made user experiences.
but they aren't. you live in this world with the rest of us. and it accomplishes nothing to let others have that much power over you.
you are allowing your perception to guide your emotions and your reactions to the world.
you are choosing to be offended.
Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. have you ever encountered anything in your life that's offended you?
please let us know
datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. i can't control what someone else does
i can control my emotional reaction to it.
Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. you didn't answer my question
By the way, I dislike to digress, but I must.
"Gabi Hayes"--that was a character in one of Henrik Ibsen's plays, right?
Or am I misthinking of Hedda Gabbler?
Carry on.
datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. we're coming from two entirely different perspectives
you want to "win" in this scenario.
whereas, this scenario is purely a form of entertainment for me.
Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. you still didn't answer the question
bcause you know you've chosen to be offended, which would reveal your little entertainment exercise to be an exercise in hypocrisy, wouldn't it?
why not come clean and admit it?
tell us something that you've chosen to be offended by
entertain us, now, oh wise one, since this has been such an amusing spectacle for you
and if you're afraid to reveal your deepest darkest innermost, why not post some more super lame David Bowie lyrics?
After which the suspected data primitive posts lyrics of a song sung by David Bowie.
Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. still didn't answer the question
put it back in French, would you, since you can't answer my simple question.
don't use babelfish
datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. you've already answered your question
you win.
you're always going to win in your head.
that's fine. you do what you have to do until you learn how to do better.
and your question is asinine.
everyone gets offended. just like everyone gets happy, sad, whatever.
life is a work in progress. things that bothered you 20 years ago, no longer bother you. or you learn how to adapt, cope, and grow and become more confident in yourself.
not lashing out against random strangers in an anonymous forum, but true inner strength that can help you do more than you're normally capable of.
Hmm. With that last line, the suspected data primitive almost sounds Buddha-ish.
Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-26-08 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #49
53. listen, sportster, you started it. I'm not trying to win anything, (couldn't care much less) but you are an amazingly arrogant jerkwad, who's apparently amused by the discomfiture of those who may have a real reason to be offended by such a shirt
like, oh, say, the relative of a Buchenwald victim
something along those lines, ya know
narcissistic pricks like you seem to get off on their ivory tower delusions of superiority
try joining the real world sometime
doubt if you have much experience there
cheerio and a bientot
isn't it time to get back into the trailer?
Oh my, aren't the primitives being racist?
After which the suspected data primitive leaves for a little while, and while he's away from the bonfire, other primitives chime in to trash him. The suspected data primitive comes back, but the flare-up is weak, as primitives prefer to say things behind people's backs, not to their faces.
