Nutcase nadin Explains NAFTA, Fights Pam, And Makes A New Friend

[GOBUCKS]

I have no idea what the nutcase is talking about in this OP.

Maybe stoop labor in mexican berry patches?

But that doesn't stop her from getting into another nice kerfunkle with Pam:

Tue May 12, 2015, 05:16 PM
nadinbrzezinski (136,716 posts)

And here is a direct effect of NAFTA

May 12, 2015 (San Diego) They came in ones and twos. They were not that many, and at one point they topped just slightly over 20. They came to protest the police repression in the valley of San Quintin in Baja California on Saturday.

The reports that people died came from three people who were hit by rubber bullets on the side of the heard and were knocked out. There are over 70 injured who require different levels of care, and people who were arrested by the police, and bail has been set pretty high.

Plus I had to dig deep into my own knowledge of Mexican history to explain a lot of the comments from Mr. Garcia. Oh they were clear as day to the staff inside the Consulate... but since I quoted him and the Professor, I had to explain a lot of it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026662102#post2

Seventy out of twenty people injured! That's a 350% casualty rate. Terrible.

      

Tue May 12, 2015, 08:37 PM
nadinbrzezinski (136,716 posts)
2. Let me kick this up for those thinking what could go wrong

Again I have no idea what she means.

Tue May 12, 2015, 09:01 PM
demtenjeep (22,285 posts)
3. what?

could go wrong?

Response to demtenjeep
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:30 PM
nadinbrzezinski (136,716 posts)
4. Read the OP, or not

really, it is that simple.

Of course I do not expect you to. I just expect you to follow. I guess we all need a hobby.

Cute, nice, adorable.

Response to nadinbrzezinski
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:54 PM
demtenjeep (22,285 posts)
5. I read the OP just like I read every one I open. I just do not connect the dots

I was asking you to since you posted

but I guess it is too adorable?

Response to demtenjeep
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:57 PM
nadinbrzezinski (136,716 posts)
6. Sorry for having my doubts that you are actually intereted

but the short of it, is that what is happening at San Quintin is actually a direct consequence of NAFTA.

TTP will make all that worst.

I'm pretty sure nadin doesn't know the word "worse" exists.

Response to nadinbrzezinski
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:00 PM
demtenjeep (22,285 posts)
7. I gathered that is what you are trying to say but I am asking how it is connected?

that is all.

Response to demtenjeep
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:03 PM
nadinbrzezinski (136,716 posts)
8. TTP will not increase work protections for foreign workers

in preparation Mexico reformed Art. 123 (labor law) and made things like temp work allowable for the first time in Mexican history (since at least the Mexican revolution)

These are first peoples. who were forced off their lands in the 1980s after NAFTA was passed.

The Zapatistas did not come from thin air either. It was a reaction to it. This is just the sharp end of it.

I give up.



Enough of Pam.

Time for nadin to make another new friend:

Tue May 12, 2015, 11:25 PM
okaawhatever (7,537 posts)
10. NAFTA wasn't passed until the 90's. They were forced off their lands for other reasons.

Response to okaawhatever
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:44 PM
nadinbrzezinski (136,716 posts)
11. ITo was passed in 1992.

It came into effect on Jan 1, I remember this well since that is the day the uprising started.

Nafta had terrible effects with rural populations in Southern Mexico. It is not me saying it. Many experts do. It is the same effects that CAFTA has had in Central America. We saw a peak in Mexican migration to el Norte in the 1990s.

These people were promised a lot after the Nafta effects, and you are correct, it was in the 90s.

Response to nadinbrzezinski
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:56 PM
okaawhatever (7,537 posts)
12. The migration in the 90's was due to a horrible recession. Mexico's GNP was down almost 10%.

Response to okaawhatever
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:15 AM
nadinbrzezinski (136,716 posts)
13. I know what happened

I still have family in Mexico

[obumazombie]

It must be close to impossible for cousin nadin not to patronize and talk down to everyone.

[Mr Mannn]

It must be close to impossible for cousin nadin not to patronize and talk down to everyone.

Patronizing and talking down to everyone is the only reason nads is there.

[SVPete]

Basically, she's trying to blame random bad stuff - Mexican police actions in this case - on NAFTA. She doesn't seem to understand/know much about what NAFTA really is. It's an agreement and laws passed by the various nations: i.e. the Mexican government participated in negotiations and approved it by whatever their constitutional process is. If she and other Mexicans dislike it, they should take it up with the Mexican government.

And BTW, NAFTA went into effect in 1994, not the 1980s. It was signed by (lame duck) President G. H. W. Bush in late 1992, and the law was passed by Congress in 1993, i.e. during the first year of WJC's MalAdministration.

nads also seems unaware that many in the US - across the full spectrum of political views - hate NAFTA as hurting US businesses and workers. So I'm not sure how much sympathy her the-US-is-oppressing-Mexican-workers-through-NAFTA narrative is going to generate. Obviously at least some DU-folk aren't buying her I-shouldn't-have-to-prove-connection "reasoning".

If nads hates the hellhole Mexico has become the past couple of decades - worse than the pest-hole it had been - she should move back and focus her energy and talents on the pols whose screw-the-US-and-the-Mexican-people ethics and (non)actions have made Mexico the hellhole it is today!