Jesus Malverde (7,643 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026648819
Hillary Clinton the Populist Begins Courting the Plutocrats
It's a lazy cut and paste... kind of like what I do here...
... so let me summarize it in these talking points:
* Hillary Clinton talks about getting big money out of politics - even when talking to big money donors...
* Clinton can't change the system unless she wins the election and the only way to get elected is with big money donors.
* Clinton focused on casting herself as a "champion" for "everyday Americans" while courting the 1%
* Clinton put off fundraising by pretending to campaign in staged 'living room' events and kaffeeklatsch politicking.
* Clinton's canned response to the base was to go further left... but only in staged media-less events.
eloydude (81 posts)
1. If she is still attracting big money donor, she failed and her nomination path killed...
She is still busy attracting the 1%'ers and not even thinking about the income inequality that is facing Americans.
Bernie gets it, and I back him 100%.
Bernie is not by any means rich, but he is not the richest Senator, and does not care to be.
That is the way to understand the 99%, and his policies and beliefs have reflected the plight of the 99%'ers.
Hillary, by ignoring the 99%ers more than the 1% - she turns off everyone except the Third Wayers and corporatist Democrats, which amounts about 100,000 or so.
There are 318 million of American voters, and just 14 of these have the same wealth as 138 MILLION other Americans. And that is NOT right.
Aw.... "that's not right." It's Bernie's new campaign slogan. Look, DUmpmonkie, the vast middle of the unwashed public doesn't have a clue whats going on in polotics and only votes based on what they see on TV. If Hillary outspends and leftist by billions in foriegn dollars then thats how they will vote.
Jesus Malverde (7,643 posts)
2. I think this quote shows a disconnect with the average american.
"Americans have fought their way back from tough economic times. But the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top," she said in her campaign announcement video. She has subsequently used similar language in nearly all her public appearances. "Everyday Americans need a champion, and I want to be that champion."
I don't believe that Americans have fought back from tough economic times. I still know many who are no longer considered unemployed but are not working.
MaggieD (1,439 posts)
5. Not where I live. I used to get 100 applicants for every job and now I get about 5. Same thing that always happens when unemployment drops below 6%. Good jobs too. Not shitty minimum wage with no benefits.
In order for Barry to claim victory Hillary must run as a champion of the common people who have struggled to overcome the largest depression in history (becuase of BUSH!!!) and that everything is fantastic in the land of OZ and those evil republicans want to kill your puppy and your grandmother. In order for Hillary to win she must show she can bring the country around from the failed politics of the leftist scum in the Barry administration. Part of that narritive is that unemploiment is down. There are more jobs. Economy is wonderful. People around the world love us again... and the world is a better place.
Nobody believes that. well... eccept DUmpmonkies and the party faithful.
stillwaiting (2,078 posts)
10. There have been plenty of reports that have clearly shown where all of the financial gains from
our economic "recovery" have gone.
Just about all of it have gone to the top 1%.
Based on the tenor and tone of your posts around here I am not surprised in the LEAST that you work for a company that offers good jobs. You clearly have yours, and you flat-out dismiss the concerns of many around here that are fighting to better their financial interests (or for others' economic well-being if they are fortunate enough to be doing well).
Look at the financial analysis that has been done regarding our "recovery". For the past 3 to 4 decades Americans have been losing financial security with every passing year. More debt and less retirement security. Less disposable income. To celebrate our current reality as a good one is just what the financial elite want. New normals and lower expectations. I'm not playing that game.
The economic "recovery" has been fully exposed for what it is. A recovery for the financial elite and Wall Street.
Main Street still struggles. Hope you join the fight one day and stop spreading their propaganda!
MaggieD (1,439 posts)
11. I own the company. I'm the good job provider.
stillwaiting (2,078 posts)
12. Even less surprising. Your care and concern for Main Street has been overwhelming.
To clarify: Even the Koch Bros. offer "good jobs". They're the good job providers. Just ask them. They'll tell you.
But, they fight to implement policies that HURT many, many more Americans.
I'm not saying you're as bad as the Koch Bros. of course. I am saying that your telling us to shut up and fall in line with "New Democrats" that continue to cater to the financial elite is probably self-serving based on your responses in this subthread. You might benefit financially, and you might have even experienced quite a large recovery during the Obama years. But, MOST Americans have not. And, continuing to tell us to shut up, fall in line, and to expect "New Democrats" as the best we can hope for is impolite since your economic fortunes have probably improved dramatically and most Americans' fortunes simply have not. Most Americans continue to lose ground.
It's just not very attractive for someone in your position to be lecturing from the position you are in. And, there are plenty of job creators and wealthy Americans that aren't supporting your centrist positions and centrist candidates as they fight to truly reform the system and reverse the relentless trend of increasing wealth and income inequality.
You've got yours. Time to start caring much more about the continuing economic deterioration of the average American.
So how is the DUmpmonkie 1%-er going to answer this? She can't come out and say she supports the 99% by paying $20.00 an hour minimum wage but can't find anyone to work for her despite paying full health, dental, mental, and leftist approved 30 hour work weeks. SHe's is the 1%! for ****s face!
MaggieD (1,439 posts)
15. My employees would differ with you On that. And I'm not a centrist, I'm a liberal. Not everyone that owns or runs a business is a dick. But it seems to be the default view of the purists. Maybe that's why the extreme left is not very effective in politics.
even Stalin thought he was doing good for the people.
20. You spend ALL of your time fighting for centrist positions and centrist candidates.
Wall Street approved candidates/positions.
You spend LOTS of time railing against the "extreme left" which does NOT exist in the U.S.
I have no doubt that you believe that Obama/HRC will be great for your financial interests and well-being. Your wealth will surely improve and increase (even with the passage of free trade agreements). Your investments will swell and your financial prosperity will increase.
So, you are spending time fighting for politicians and policies that is in your self-interest.
And paying your employees well is certainly admirable, but so do the Koch Bros! Their net effect on the average American is horrible though. And, supporting Wall Street approved Democrats keeps us on the same train we've been on for the past 3 to 4 decades. Not good for most Americans. Most Americans will continue to lose financial ground. You are in the very small subset of Americans that will not. Your subset will continue to accumulate and sit-on wealth that used to be more fairly distributed when labor was more fairly and properly valued in this country.
In short, whenever wealthy Democrats support the Wall Street approved/centrist candidates it's really not that noble from an economic perspective. Wealthy Democrats don't sacrifice any of their wealth/income under Wall Street approved/centrist candidates. All sacrifices come from the working, poverty, and middle classes under Wall Street approved/centrist candidates. I imagine that's why these centrist candidates get such strong support from millionaires. These millionaires know quite well that they won't be making financial sacrifices (i.e. their wealth will probably grow). All sacrifices and compromises will be directed towards those that can least afford it.
And, you support that.
The DUmpmonkie didn't say what her business is... did she?
MaggieD (1,439 posts)
22. You don't know me at all But your post is a perfect example of why I have no respect for the loony left. You make baseless assumptions about people with no evidence whatsoever. You're not worth my time due to that. And I know you don't realize it, but that's the exact same reason the politicians ignore the extreme left as well.
stillwaiting (2,078 posts)
23. You are a prolific poster over the past month or two that is FIGHTING for what you believe in.
I know you all I need to based on that.
You are one of the worst when it comes to mocking and ridiculing others on this website (your so-called loony left). And, you are mocking and ridiculing others from your privileged financial position. Just a little bad form?!?!
I am positive I know you as much as I would ever want to based on your behavior on DU.
And, the politicians ignore the LEFT in this country because they are selfish, greedy assholes.
The DUmpmonkie is really a great stand in for Hillary when you think about it. She is in complete denial of what is really going on (at the DUmp) and looks down on the common people (at the DUmp) all the while chatting them up like she was one of them (at the DUmp) in order to gain their favor.
MaggieD (1,439 posts)
25. Bullshit. Period. I've probably done more real work for liberal causes than all the keyboard commandos here combined. And, yes, the politicians DO ignore folks like you for exactly the reasons I have previously stated. Now you may not want to believe that or accept it, but that just means you will remain ineffective and marginalized. Your choice, of course. But at least now you know why the extremist left has no real accomplishments despite screaming for decades.
Now we see the angry Hillary. Much like at the Benghazi hearings when she lashed out it comes out staged and sounding strange. Who cares if four dead Americans are dead on my watch or why it happened or even what really happened! I tried! See!
TM99 (2,322 posts)
29. Prove it.
Seriously, you offer a lot of talk. But let's see some proof.
What you call the 'extremist left' is what was once main stream FDR/Johnson/Kennedy/Carter Democrats. You and the other Third Way triangulation centrists are the extremists. A minority position like the Tea Party that has taken over the Democratic party power positions through neo-liberal domestic policies, neo-conservative foreign policies, and propaganda. Oh, and all of that corporate cash sure greases the skids as well.
You are right in one respect. The progressive agenda has been weakened over decades of neo-liberal positioning in the Democratic party.
No shit- let's see some proof, sweetie.
stillwaiting (2,078 posts)
30. I think it's cute how you presume to know me while simultaneously saying that I couldn't possibly know you.
I'll fight you within the Democratic Party for as long as I'm alive.
You're beautiful. #Heathers
MaggieD (1,439 posts)
39. I don't know you. That's why I am only commenting to the on the content of the post I'm responding to from you.
But I have definitely heard the screeds like yours from the extreme left before. In real life we just ignore folks like that and get to work. The extremist clamor for a seat at the table, but they don't work well with others.
Marr (17,710 posts)
48. You are a perfect representative for your candidate. /nt
yup yup yup
Buzz Clik (31,765 posts)
28. Plenty of reports... mostly delivered by the right.
Interesting you have bought into that notion.
Aw--- buzzie! You think maybe she's a mole? If she is then she's a paid Clintoon mole.
stillwaiting (2,078 posts)
33. Sorry. That's just not true.
Krugman ain't "right" :
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/opinion/krugman-rich-mans-recovery.html?_r=0
Piketty ain't "right".
Stiglitz ain't "right":
http://www.alternet.org/economy/joseph-stiglitz-why-rich-are-getting-richer-and-why-it-could-get-much-worse
Reich ain't "right":
http://robertreich.org/post/98668011635
But they are all most certainly RIGHT.
Pretending that things have improved in this country for people economically when most Americans still haven't recovered since the Great Recession does the Democratic Party absolutely no favors. There are far too many tuned out Americans that know damn well that their economic situation hasn't improved during this "recovery". They aren't going to be attracted to the Democratic Party if we pretend that their financial security has improved when it hasn't.
And so, Hillary is a champion of the everyday Americans! (because common people sounded elitist in the focus groups)
Thinkingabout (12,626 posts)
3. It takes lots of money to run for president, she understands this.
It may take close to $2 Billion using the campaign funds spent to get Warren elected in one state.
Hillary also knows this amount can not come from the 90%, simple facts. For those who thinks the money coming from the 90% is going to be enough then reality needs to arrive. You can make all of the remarks you want about the top 10% but in today's world this is who will be putting up the largest amount coming from individuals and a big portion from corporations.
Some claim Bernie will never take the money, if true then he is not a serious candidate. The money he has raised so far will not get him to first base.
brooklynite (21,146 posts)
14. add to that...
Hillary Clinton told me personally, at one of these events, that she supported overturning CU through either a Constitutional Amendment or through appointment of SC Justices. Now, either she's lying to her deep pockets supporters, which isn't a good way to get funding in the future, or she's telling us something she supports, and we support her in that effort.
MaggieD (1,439 posts)
4. What's your plan....For winning the 2016 presidential campaign without money? Should we all lay down and die instead?
[crickets]
Puzzledtraveller (5,130 posts)
46. It's odd isn't it, we like to proclaim the success of the grass roots movement
and individual donors and web campaign that propelled Barack Obama but for some reason HRC supporters think can't repeat itself with Bernie Sanders.
That's because it either 1) a lie, or 2).... oh... I guess there is only one.
Autumn (21,198 posts)
8. Many of us have not been able to fight our way back from tough economic times.
And that's why Hillary will lose, She and her advisers just don't get it, she's no populist.
All those millions of dollars from overseas will flood the TVs with statements that she will help the everyday Americans!
JaneyVee (10,694 posts)
24. Sorry, but the rich aren't the enemy, rich conservatives are.
I know plenty of rich people who overwhelmingly fight for liberal causes.
^ Has to be one of the most stupid comments on DU today
Puzzledtraveller (5,130 posts)
44. I have come to believe when you are talking about millionaires and billionaires you will rarely find anyone who is not willing or able to make exceptions to their particular political ideology to keep their bottom line deep in the black. Conservative rich people are bad, liberal rich are people good is hardly the reality beside being utterly simplistic and naive. When you play at that level the key word is "fluidity" of everything.
There is a saying...from somewhere... let's see... how does it go?
All Animals are equal!
but some animals are more equal than othersBuzz Clik (31,765 posts)
27. Begins? Are we not to be convinced that Hillary is completely sold out to money and power?
Is this not the pro-Sanders line?
Jesus Malverde (7,643 posts)
42. Might pay for some country music videos
Yeee haw‼ï¸
Puzzledtraveller (5,130 posts)
45. As long as she doesn't try to talk in that southern drawl anymore...
DCBob (16,904 posts)
32. "Clinton can't change the system unless she wins the election"
I know many wont believe that statement above but I think it rings true to me. In politics you have to play the dirty game just to get in the door. The question is will she actually move to change the system once she gets in. I think she will. She has been posturing her entire career just to get to this point and once she actually makes it to the Oval Office I do believe her "better angels" will emerge.
Sure... your can "trust" Hillary.
