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DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« on: May 07, 2015, 11:29:43 PM »
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RadiationTherapy (5,303 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026624128

Is this the relationship islam wants with democratic nations founded on enlightenment ideals?
*Some of you will recognize that I am borrowing this question from Christopher Hitchens*

Will you demand pre-emptive censorship in nations with histories that include centuries of tradition founded on free speech, free expression, and - in the single case of the USA - a secular government?

Will you demand that blasphemy be pre-emptively censored for fear of retribution and feigned "righteous anger?" Is this the relationship you want to have with free, democratic people who base their freedoms in the enlightenment ideals of free speech and expression? Will you be part of the group who demands we regress as a culture for fear of retribution or "insult" to others?


That is what the leftist want.

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1. "What about...those who believe that ethical life is possible without religion?

We have to be insulted and outraged every day by what we see and what we read. By slaughter and murder. Slaughter and murder and barbarism and insult and superstitious nonsense, we do not reply in kind, we don't say, "We'll go and kill you if you're going to insult us like this."

"Do we get no credit for saying this? When has anyone ever said what's it like to be insulted as someone thinks that civilization is a real thing? Why is it always interfaith, why is it always interdenominational? Why can't we say that all of these cults are equal and equivalent glimpses of the untrue?" Christopher Hitchens


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malaise (128,913 posts)
3. When you engage in illegal wars and occupations and slaughter innocent people in their own homelands, please don't ****ing talk about enlightenment.


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RadiationTherapy (5,303 posts)
7. Centuries of free speech and free expression - hard fought for and hard defended -and we are supposed to concede these most critical of freedoms to hostile antiquarians with anger problems? No. I refuse.


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leftynyc (14,755 posts)
8. Me too. If anyone had to wait until their country were perfect world citizens before being allowed to have opinions, it would be pretty ****ing quiet everywhere. "antiquarians with anger problems" - that's fabulous and I hope you don't mind if I shamelessly steal.


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Warren DeMontague (60,809 posts)
10. people need to understand that "free speech" is over. It's a terrible idea. There is no need to say

anything that might bother someone else, ever, ESPECIALLY if it offends the sensibilities of the deeply religious.

It is vitally important that we all comport ourselves in such a way that we never offend anyone's deeply held religious beliefs. This is why it is vitally important that we not teach things like evolution, in schools. WHO CARES if it is "true", it MIGHT HURT SOMEONE'S RELIGIOUS FEELINGS and THAT is what matters! NOTHING ELSE.

It's why "the gay agenda" must be stopped. Lots of fundamentalists are profoundly BOTHERED by gay people. Do we want to DELIBERATELY BOTHER them? Isn't that INCITEMENT? Making them mad! 

It's "fighting words" and just like yelling fire in a crowded theater! Which you CANT DO so obviously the 1st amendment stops the minute you say ANYTHING that bothers anyone. IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING!

When you offend a fundamentalist, it is NOT PROTECTED SPEECH! If you say something that makes a, say, Eric Rudolph so mad he needs to go bomb a lesbian bar, that's YOUR FAULT and WHY DID YOU NEED TO INCITE HIM with your anti-religious ideas and lifestyle?

Again INCITEMENT and all you free speech weenies are just ignoring the point which is YOU CANNOT SAY ANYTHING THAT OFFENDS THE RELIGIOUS. PERIOD. THAT'S THE LAW because fighting words and incitement and why do you incite and cause people to get so mad they HAVE to commit violent acts because YOU OFFENDED THEIR GOD!?!??!?!?

STOP IT. Free speech is not nearly as important as making sure the world is non-offensive to the most narrow, authoritarian fundamentalists on the planet.

I don't see why that's so hard to understand.

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Sarcasm, by the way.

 
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17. It's amazing that the 'fighting words' crowd does not see Christian preachers like Phelps as being 'fighting words'. They actually expect to make others stop criticizing any religion while religions will be free to hold 'God Hates Fags' rallies and continue with hate mongering sermons and billboards and church marquees.


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Scootaloo (17,465 posts)
26. Who do you presume you are speaking to, with this OP?

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Donald Ian Rankin (12,319 posts)
28. Islam is not a person. Different Muslims want different things. An awful lot of Muslims do want blasphemy to be criminalised, but quite a lot don't, too.


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0rganism (17,480 posts)
33. "islam wants"?

to speak of Islam like it's a spoiled toddler rather than a religion with hundreds of millions of individual (and individually-minded) adherents is... shortsighted. i'm just going to leave it at that.


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42. When one is ignorant of the subject, one should refrain from pontificating on it.[n/t]

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Maedhros (5,717 posts)
49. Look - you're self-admittedly ignorant of even the most basic details of Islam, yet somehow you expect thinking, rational human beings to accept your arguments about how Islam should behave.

We'd have to be pretty stupid to do that.

Is this DUmpmonkie thinking that the OP is from the poster? Does it not realize it was quoted from the leftist 'god' of 'there is no god'? Obviously not.

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51. Yes - the fact that you are comfortable with your ignorance is the primary problem.

You ask questions, but don't listen to the answers. You criticize without understanding.

You belong on the ignore list. Bye.
 

Another hate filled DUmpmonkie who jumps into a fight not understanding the issues.

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*Some of you will recognize that I am borrowing this question from Christopher Hitchens*


Obviously not.
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Re: DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2015, 11:37:18 PM »
Leftists are fully behind the muzzies and their religion that conquers by force and stifle blasphemy of the dominant religion.

The state religion (fascism/socialism/communism/progressivism) killed 120 million blasphemers of their religion.  Fellow travelers those leftists/democrats and the muzzies of the religion of peace.
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Re: DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2015, 11:48:28 PM »
Once we knuckle under to one "blasphemy", additional blasphemies will be trotted out.
Never forget one of the 3 dispositions for infidels...subjugation.
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Re: DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2015, 06:18:58 AM »
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42. When one is ignorant of the subject, one should refrain from pontificating on it.[n/t]

That would pretty much close down the DUmp.

Bluenorthwest must be fun in real life,ask him what time it is and get a whining screed about why queers are victims of everythingism.  :whatever:
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Re: DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2015, 08:39:59 AM »
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Is this the relationship islam wants with democratic nations founded on enlightenment ideals?

No disrespect toward d508 intended, but this question totally misses reality. The Muslims driving events in the Muslim world have made quite clear what "relationship islam wants with democratic nations": Conqueror!
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Re: DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2015, 10:41:18 AM »
Some surprisingly sensible posts there, even among the ignorance.
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Re: DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2015, 04:19:36 PM »
Quote from: obumazombie on May 07, 2015, 11:48:28 PM
Once we knuckle under to one "blasphemy", additional blasphemies will be trotted out.
Never forget one of the 3 dispositions for infidels...subjugation.

You may have stumbled on the true reason liberals love Muzzies.  Remember it is subjugation and TAXES!!!
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Re: DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2015, 07:33:18 PM »
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33. "islam wants"?

to speak of Islam like it's a spoiled toddler rather than a religion with hundreds of millions of individual (and individually-minded) adherents is... shortsighted. i'm just going to leave it at that.

Islam is like a spoiled child, but one that is armed with many weapons.

Every so often, anti-blasphemy resolutions come up at the UN. Every single Muzzie countriy wants it passed.
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Re: DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2015, 08:18:55 PM »
RadiationTherapy, this is the bottom line.

American practices, ideals and lifestyles aren't compatible with devout Islam. Period.

Even the 'moderates' who see no problem with implementing their own justice system based on Sharia.. It can't be done here. It violates the Equal Protection clause, 14th Amendment. And, no.. citizens aren't allowed to 'opt out'.
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Re: DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2015, 09:39:56 PM »
Koran...QUR'an...no matter how you spell it...it's an instruction manual for savages.
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Re: DUmpmonkie asks a damned good question. (ref: islam)
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2015, 10:46:30 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on May 08, 2015, 09:39:56 PM
Koran...QUR'an...no matter how you spell it...it's an instruction manual for savages.

Man oh man, libs about had a fit when The American Sniper Chris Kyle called the muzzies what they are...SAVAGES.
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