People who can't support/defend themselves brag about having higher IQs

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flamingdem (30,184 posts)

Higher IQ linked to liberalism, atheism
 
proof! 

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2010/03/02/Higher-IQ-linked-to-liberalism-atheism/UPI-68381267513202/#ixzz1MRF8B44p

LONDON, March 2 (UPI) -- More intelligent children may be more likely to grow up to be liberals, a researcher at the London School of Economics and Political Science suggests.

Satoshi Kanazawa, an evolutionary psychologist, says "evolutionarily novel" preferences and values are those that humans are not biologically designed to have and our ancestors probably did not possess. In contrast, those that our ancestors had for millions of years are "evolutionarily familiar."

Kanazawa argues that humans are evolutionarily designed to be conservative, caring mostly about their family and friends, and being liberal -- caring about an indefinite number of genetically unrelated strangers one has never meet or interacted with -- is evolutionarily novel.

Data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health support Kanazawa's hypothesis. Young adults who subjectively identify themselves as "very liberal" have an average IQ of 106 during adolescence while those who identify themselves as "very conservative" have an average IQ of 95 during adolescence, Kanazawa says.

cbayer (143,642 posts)

1. I'd like to see the methods and statistical analysis on this. Otherwise, it's not proof.
 
This 2010 "study" is behind a paywall and I can't access it, but I am highly skeptical about the conclusions. It also says that men with higher IQ's are more likely to value sexual exclusivity, but the same is not true for women.

But then, maybe being skeptical is correlated with an increased IQ?

tkmorris (10,499 posts)

6. Being more skeptical in a general sense DOES correlate with higher IQ
 
However being skeptical of things selectively, in direct proportion to how much they challenge one's own worldview, does not.

Slap a bandage on that ox cbayer.

cbayer (143,642 posts)

9. Do you have data supporting the link between skepticism and higher IQ?

It feels right, but I've not seen anything to support it.

Correlating with IQ is fraught with problems,a s I am sure you know. There are racial/economic/educational/cultural biases deeply imbedded in IQ tests. It is really difficult to truly adjust for these variables.

I have no idea what your bandage on an ox reference is about, but congrats to you for getting a personal jab in there. Is that why I need a bandage?

Faux pas (4,457 posts)

2. High IQ,
 
check! Liberal, check! Atheist, check! I win the trifecta!!!!!

^ has a pot leaf for an avatar

lunatica (30,137 posts)

3. Glad to see a formal study on this 'Duh' concept

Maybe they'll make the link between Socipaths and Conservatives next. Another 'duh' concept. There should be a whole other type of measurement for that. If we have EQ (Emotional Quotient) and IQ (Intelligence Quotient), maybe they can come up with some name for that cunning type of thinking. Maybe CQ (Cunning Quotient)

FLPanhandle (4,006 posts)

4. I've noticed that trend in my life.

The only exceptions have tended to be engineers. Smart and talented in a narrow field, but very conservative and many are religious (which makes no engineering sense to me).

name not needed (11,490 posts)

7. So we like evo psych again?

BACKGROUND: The Ku Kluc Klams HATE evo psych because it tells them they're best suited for breeding while the men get to have the action careers.

Star Member Martin Eden (5,664 posts)

10. If caring about others is antithetical to conservatism ...

... then conservatism is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Liberalism includes caring about others, but it also has a large element of enlightened self-interest. Living in a society with economic and social justice has widespread benefits for everyone (except perhaps psychopaths who aren't happy unless they're on top of everyone else).

dependency and impotence is not the same as caring

Jim__ (9,648 posts)

12. "Why Are Black Women Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women?" - analysis by the same clown.
 
Here's a Scientific American article on him from 2011.

An excerpt:

...

Satoshi Kanazawa has a problem.

It is hard to believe that it was merely a week ago today that I first encountered Satoshi Kanazawa; given all that I have read, thought and talked about him this week, it feels like a year. For those of you who haven’t been following this saga online, or aren’t regular readers of Psychology Today: last Sunday, Satoshi Kanazawa, PhD, Evolutionary Biologist and professor at London School of Economics posed (and purported to answer) an incendiary question on his Psychology Today blog: "Why Are Black Women Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women?"

Though the post has been removed from the site, you can now see it here. In the post, Kanazawa promises his readers a scientific analysis of public data showing objective evidence of Black women’s status as the least attractive group among all humans. In other words, he promises to wave a magic wand, say "Factor Analysis!" and make racist conclusions appear before your (bluest) eyes.

As it turns out, Kanazawa is a repeat offender, with years of roundly criticized and heartily debunked pseudoscience-based shock-jockery under his belt. Despite this, he is still posting on the blog of a reputable mainstream publication, still teaching at a respected university and still serving on the editorial board of one of his discipline’s peer-reviewed research journals. Though, possibly not for long: this particular post’s racist hypothesis offended many, unleashing serious righteous outrage across the internet: social media users raced to blog, tweet and even petition demanding that Psychology Today remove Kanazawa as a contributor to their Web site and magazine. Psychology Today removed the post late Sunday night, and Monday morning the largest student organization in London (representing 120,000 students) unanimously called for Kanazawa’s dismissal.

more ...

Bad science is bad science - even if you happen to agree with the conclusion.

whoops

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026570636

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Star Member Martin Eden (5,664 posts)

10. If caring about others is antithetical to conservatism ...

... then conservatism is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Liberalism includes caring about others, but it also has a large element of enlightened self-interest. Living in a society with economic and social justice has widespread benefits for everyone (except perhaps psychopaths who aren't happy unless they're on top of everyone else).

It's really more about forcing others at the point of a gun, and reaching into their wallet to care about others in ways history has shown never work.

[RayRaytheSBS]

It's really more about forcing others at the point of a gun, and reaching into their wallet to care about others in ways history has shown never work.

Hi5, well stated. I couldn't have put it better myself.

[FlippyDoo]

Star Member Martin Eden (5,664 posts)

10. If caring about others is antithetical to conservatism ...

... then conservatism is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Liberalism includes caring about others, but it also has a large element of enlightened self-interest. Living in a society with economic and social justice has widespread benefits for everyone (except perhaps psychopaths who aren't happy unless they're on top of everyone else).

Jesus: Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Liberalism: Make the little children suffer as you murder them in the womb.

Yeah. Liberalism and the teachings of Jesus is very similar.

[Delmar]

Response to tkmorris (Reply #6)Sun Apr 26, 2015, 01:58 PM
Star Member cbayer (143,659 posts)
9. Do you have data supporting the link between skepticism and higher IQ?

It feels right, but I've not seen anything to support it.

Correlating with IQ is fraught with problems,a s I am sure you know. There are racial/economic/educational/cultural biases deeply imbedded in IQ tests. It is really difficult to truly adjust for these variables.

I have no idea what your bandage on an ox reference is about, but congrats to you for getting a personal jab in there. Is that why I need a bandage?

I believe that there is a link between skepticism and higher IQ.  I was skeptical when Barry said--

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
Families will save $2500 a year.

Leftists bought that load of shit hook, line, and sinker.  They gobbled it up without any skepticism.  Low IQ.  Very stupid.

[Carl]

Why does their claim of caring for others always ends up worded "what free stuff I should get"?

[franksolich]

I believe that there is a link between skepticism and higher IQ.  I was skeptical when Barry said--

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
Families will save $2500 a year.

Leftists bought that load of shit hook, line, and sinker.  They gobbled it up without any skepticism.  Low IQ.  Very stupid.

Man, ain't that the truth.

[SVPete]

Star Member Martin Eden (5,664 posts)

10. If caring about others is antithetical to conservatism ...

... then conservatism is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding ME due to lack of context, but if he really believes conservative Christians don't care about others, he hasn't been around very many. A few examples:

* PP (and other abortuaries) care about pregnant women by cutting the baby out of them, cutting a few hundred dollars out of their bank accounts, and then cutting the women loose; crisis pregnancy centers counsel women against aborting, support them with counseling through their pregnancies, give baby clothes, supplies, and even furniture, and provide counseling to women who have had abortions and are having trouble dealing with the enormity of what they've done;

* In the hours after the earthquake and tsunami in Indonesia, the first westerners from the outside who came with aid were the US military, not the UN; this is well know, among conservatives at least; less well known is that the sailors and Marines found that they were not the first westerners giving aid; many westerners in that part of the world are missionaries, openly or in the form of humanitarian work; the missionaries already had in place and were distributing/using food and medical supplies and means of transportation (and some had managed to communicate the need to their support organizations in the US and elsewhere); this has been the case all over Asia (and perhaps Africa and South America), with many natural disasters in many countries (Muslim leaders in Pakistan have been so POed at this that they've demanded their government forbid aid from Christian orgs and individuals);

* Closer to my home, the largest organization in San Jose working to return the homeless back into mainstream society, helping addicts into recovery, and providing shelter for pregnant women whose families kicked them out is Cityteam, a Christian organization;

* This weekend 8 or 9 schools from Gilroy north to East Palo Alto got significant landscaping and facelift work (as well as several neighborhood, park, and suburban creeks), thanks to a local Christian organization called Beautiful Day and the several churches working with them (I suspect that quite a few cities could say the same, scaled to the size of their city and the maturity of their local orgs); Beautiful Day does this twice a year, along with occasional projects-of-opportunity.

[I_B_Perky]

That is the ticket libs!!! Keep calling the people you want to vote for your candidates low IQ idiots.

[JohnnyReb]

Evolution = survival of the fittest = liberals die out first.

Only in modern times of socialist governments has that equation not held true.

[SVPete]

Evolution = survival of the fittest = liberals die out first.

Only in modern times of socialist governments has that equation not held true.

I dunno, JR. Stalin was pretty good at killing off liberals, Socialists, and even fellow Communists who weren't quite the right variety or loyal enough. He sort of temporarily redefined "fittest", until he died. OTOH, Communism proved itself unfit, dying ~1989 (probably would have died 5-10 years earlier, but for Nixon's grain sales in the 70s).

[thundley4]

That is the ticket libs!!! Keep calling the people you want to vote for your candidates low IQ idiots.

They already have 90% of the low info voters wrapped up.

[SVPete]

* This weekend 8 or 9 schools from Gilroy north to East Palo Alto got significant landscaping and facelift work (as well as several neighborhood, park, and suburban creeks), thanks to a local Christian organization called Beautiful Day and the several churches working with them (I suspect that quite a few cities could say the same, scaled to the size of their city and the maturity of their local orgs); Beautiful Day does this twice a year, along with occasional projects-of-opportunity.

This is part of a message from a pastor at one of the churches involved in Beautiful day that was posted yesterday PM on FB:

One thing we're doing is called "Beautiful Day" - which is this weekend. And at the end of it, more than 4,051 people will serve more than 8,000 manhours and we'll be donating more than $100,000 to serve some wonderful groups. For example:

• We're doing renovations at a refuge home for battered women and their children. We're then getting drivers to chauffeur those women to a special venue with live music, incredible decorations, and a five-star meal cooked by a gourmet chef (while some super fun children's workers watch and play games with their kids nearby).

• We're putting on an "Alice in Wonderland" themed dance for developmentally disabled kids...and we'll have a blast with them and their families as the DJ drops the beat.

• We're renovating a parent respite area and building pergolas at the Saratoga Subacute Hospital, one of 2 hospitals in NorCal that serves medically fragile kids.

• We're sending hundreds of volunteers (led by professional builders and painters) to do renovations and remodeling at CityTeam, the largest provider of services to homeless people in San Jose.

• We've met with the principals of some local schools that are vastly under-resourced and serving some of the most at-risk kids in our city, and we're doing various projects at four different schools that those leaders say they need. We're glad to do it.

This is just the start. There are dozens of other projects led by other churches on the peninsula and all the way down to South County. But it's a good start.

And it's a chance to say to this city, "We are Christians. We are people who take the words of Jesus very seriously, and our centuries-old tradition of faith mandates us - as it did those who came before us - to serve our city. To love our city. To look to those who are most at-risk and vulnerable, and ensure, with compassionate hearts, that they have what they need. And we are glad to serve with you, for you, and beside you."

I think the 4000+ people and 8000+ man-hours refers just to the one church, not the whole Beautiful Day set of projects. Similarly, he referred to just 4 of the 8-9 schools served.

[98ZJUSMC]

Once again, repeatedly linking to the same crap that was burst generated when the Left started seriously freaking out over the Tea Party and the realization that the mid terms were not looking favorable.



Talk about the incurious being led around by the nose.

[txradioguy]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding ME due to lack of context, but if he really believes conservative Christians don't care about others, he hasn't been around very many.

No you're not misunderstanding.  Their equivalence really IS that simple...no to mention stupid.

It goes like this:

Jesus was a Socialist...Conservatives hate Socialists...therefore Conservatives hate Christ.

That is the breadth and depth of their "thinking" on that subject. 

[Carl]

tkmorris (10,499 posts)

6. Being more skeptical in a general sense DOES correlate with higher IQ
 
However being skeptical of things selectively, in direct proportion to how much they challenge one's own worldview, does not.

Slap a bandage on that ox cbayer.

That is rich coming from a group that demands complete devotion to group think.

[DumbAss Tanker]

and being liberal -- caring about an indefinite number of genetically unrelated strangers one has never meet or interacted with -- is evolutionarily novel.

Sounds like wishful thinking and projection by the researcher to assume that what could just as easily be ascribed to estrangement from customary social boundaries and egotism would necessarily have anything to do with caring about everybody everywhere.

[txradioguy]

flamingdem (30,184 posts)

Higher IQ linked to liberalism, atheism

Someone explain to me how nadin is a Liberal then? 

[obumazombie]

Someone explain to me how nadin is a Liberal then? 

It takes a lot ob brainpower to toss a word salad.

[diesel driver]

It takes a lot ob brainpower to toss a word salad.

Not nearly as much brainpower as it takes to "digest" one of her "culinary" masterpieces.   

[obumazombie]

^Heh.
Those are the real cousin nadin victims.

[jukin]

I guarantee that i have a +50 IQ point advantage over any DUche.
I am also an expert marksman.
I also grew up in a ghetto/barrio where I fought almost every day with blacks and Mexicans (2 broken ankles, 5 broken arms, 7 broken fingers, and 120+/- stitches, not all in fighting).

I have never lost any sleep over what I did or what I will do.  Nor do I really fear what may come and I am not half the man my dad was.