DU Whistling past the graveyard ... with krunchy nads goodness

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WillTwain (1,302 posts)

Obama Levels Cheap Shot At Unions - Again
 
Oops he did it again.

Fielding a question about TPP today, the President could not resist taking a pot shot at unions. in describing the opposition coming from within his party, he said wryly regarding unions, they are always against trade.

What a cheap shot. Unions are not against trade, they are against unfair trade. The president knows better than to demean union's sentiments on trade. These guys are experts on the economy and understand trade and its effects better than anybody. He would never talk to any other group in the party with such disdain. They have an interest like every other group in the Democratic party.

It would be like saying, women well they just always complain about equal pay. And some folks, well they just always complain about racism or bigotry. He is calling out labor as complainers when they are concerned about American jobs being lost. Hello, they are called LABOR for a reason. There sole purpose is American jobs.

Who should we trust on the TPP, the guys with their livelihoods at stake or the guy speaking for Paul Ryan and big business?

{snip}

And the krunchy Nads goodness begins below.

WillTwain (1,303 posts)

8. Can he at least try to hide his hatred?
Geez.

Response to WillTwain (Original post)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 06:40 PM

nadinbrzezinski (135,733 posts)

10. The new democrats do not like
 
labor, this is hardly news.

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 06:53 PM

WillTwain (1,303 posts)

27. Nobody is claiming this as news, It needs to be reported on, anyway.

Response to WillTwain (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 06:56 PM

nadinbrzezinski (135,733 posts)

31. My apologies, but let me clarify
 
labor does not like HRC. This is hardly a secret among the people I talk to regularly. It probably is surprising to some of the local hard core fans

Further clarification: Labor knows they are not liked, to put it mildly, by conservative neo liberals, that includes the POTUS, his economic team, and the HRC campaign.

Getting those folks excited will be a hard thing to do

 

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:11 PM

WillTwain (1,303 posts)

51. I have been trying to let DUers know about the perilous position democrats are in.

There is no guarantee they will endorse a democrat - unprecedented.

 

Response to WillTwain (Reply #51)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:12 PM

nadinbrzezinski (135,733 posts)

52. I would not quite go that far, YET.

and that is the big qualifier, YET.

Or at least none is willing to go that far even off the damn record.

But I agree with you.. it is unprecedented.

 

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:13 PM

WillTwain (1,303 posts)

57. They have threatened openly already to walk away.

Response to WillTwain (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:14 PM

nadinbrzezinski (135,733 posts)

59. Not the locals

And I talk with them regularly. Though they have local fish to fry.

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #59)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:16 PM

WillTwain (1,303 posts)

61. Trumka has clearly threatened for 2016.

 

Response to WillTwain (Reply #61)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:23 PM

nadinbrzezinski (135,733 posts)

77. But trumka needs the majority of presidents from local labor councils
 
to go YYAAAYYY boss.

This is one of the last working democracies. in the country. I do not expect that to become official until the national meeting of the AFL-CIOs, and then you have the SEIU to contend with, which broke with the AFL a few years back. Though I expect them to go there faster than the AFL-CIOs by the way, or AFSCME.

I do not discount what Trumka said. I think he can get the necessary votes, and I think there is an absolute danger that the Labor Councils will turn very local and abandon national politicians in droves.

But until those steps absolutely happen, and even after they happen, those same national politicians will continue to ignore the 11 percent of the American work force. Never mind that they have more power to turn people to voting than their absolute numbers say they should.

With the 15 and a Union movement, this is why that scares the ownership class, labor might turn those horrific numbers around... hug your SEIU for that, most labor councils are not participating in that mess. (Too much inside baseball)

This is precisely the political calculus at play. (And I should go back to the fracking articles, but that is another story).

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #77)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:26 PM

WillTwain (1,303 posts)

82. Trumka has agreement from all the unions to move forward together.

Response to WillTwain (Reply #82)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:29 PM

nadinbrzezinski (135,733 posts)

86. Take my word on this, or not
 
but Trumka does not dictate huge policy issues like this one.

These decisions are taken by vote

http://www.aflcio.org/About/Exec-Council

edit to add to the constitution

http://www.aflcio.org/About/Exec-Council/AFL-CIO-Constitution

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #86)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:31 PM

WillTwain (1,303 posts)

90. Ok, maybe Trumka is speaking about something else.

Thanks, I will go back and check it out further.

Response to WillTwain (Reply #90)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:33 PM

nadinbrzezinski (135,733 posts)

92. He is floating it
 
but they need to take a vote.

Labor is a democracy.

He is running it up the flagpole, like the good politician he is. (A lot of this IS politics)

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 07:14 PM

happynewyear (1,604 posts)

58. +1,000
 
Welcome back nadinbrzezinksi!!

Is there nothing Nads doesn't know?  Apparently knot.  Here is her best rectal cranial extraction to date.  Union bosses must tremble when Nads walks in the room with the good rig.

[thundley4]

Those 5 million plus social security numbers issued to illegals to let them vote will make up for losing a few whiny union bitches.

[Carl]

The president knows better than to demean union's sentiments on trade. These guys are experts on the economy and understand trade and its effects better than anybody.

 

[I_B_Perky]

nadinbrzezinski (135,733 posts)

10. The new democrats do not like
 
labor, this is hardly news.
 

Yep. The new communist dems, the big city dems, could not care less about labor... except for maybe election time. The new communist dems care about global warming and regulations to strangle the economy of the USA.

Just for the dummies that might mosey over here and read this thread... all things being equal it is NOT labor that is really holding back businesses from expanding, it is regulations and the tax code. Union labor does play a big part, but it is not the real driver of businesses going over seas.  Thank the new communist dems for that. Dirty air, water, etc.

[Chris_]

Why should Democrats care about labor when they're offering 99 weeks of unemployment, unlimited food stamps, and who the hell knows what else?

[thundley4]

  Thank the new communist dems for that. Dirty air, water, etc.

The skyrocketing price of electricity needed to run factories doesn't help either.

[98ZJUSMC]

WillTwain (1,302 posts)

Obama Levels Cheap Shot At Unions - Again

Whups, now wait a minute.....

WillTwain (1,221 posts)  Thu Apr 16, 2015, 12:15 PM

Obama's Biggest Flaw

He is too mentally stable.

Do you think that the most perfectest, most MENTALLY STABLE human the Universe could possibly produce, level cheap shots?  I thought such a towering intellect would simply use DNCMedia® LLC Mind Tricks?

[Mr Mannn]

nadinbrzezinski (135,733 posts)

Labor is a democracy.

Since when?

[SVPete]

Since when?

If there's anything in this country that really is oligarchic it's unions!

[obumazombie]

Whups, now wait a minute.....

Do you think that the most perfectest, most MENTALLY STABLE human the Universe could possibly produce, level cheap shots?  I thought such a towering intellect would simply use DNCMedia® LLC Mind Tricks?

This is exactly what I was thinking.
The previous most recent assertion by the DUmmies is that their messiah is practically perfect in every way.
I had to import a Mary Poppins video for comparison.