1-foot-in-the-grave-and-only-1-foot discusses Arizona "secession"

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

TheMastersNemesis (4,541 posts)

Arizona Secession From The Union Could Be Reality Soon
   
The Arizona legislature is busily passing laws that will make it illegal to enforce federal laws in Arizona. Such laws even include a virtual abolishment of the Affordable Care Act not allowing any paying for any activities that involve enforcement of federal policies. Such laws would even have an effect on Medicaid.

Acts of nullification are pretty close to declaring secession from the US. Maybe we should lock the borders of Arizona as a foreign nation.

We live in strange times. And what is worse is that GOP leaders are telling states to ignore federal laws. Somehow such rhetoric seems criminal and even insurrectionist. The GOP says it loves the Constitution but in actuality wants to go back to the Articles of Confederation and scrap the

ND-Dem (3,763 posts)

1. Jail the frigging traitors. seriously, wtf?

TheMastersNemesis (4,541 posts)

4. We Could Stop Paying Everyone's Medicare & Social Security In Arizona.

Since most of these old fogies do not like the federal government and think that their money is being given to blacks and hispanics. Maybe they will understand what seceding means.

TheDebbieDee (9,074 posts)

3. Does the DOD have any federal military bases in Arizona and Texas and all these other traitorous

states that are stuck on this secessionist meme?

If so, the Department of Defense should coordinate with congress to set up a committee that will decide to which state to move these military bases and facilities.

MineralMan (70,963 posts)

6. No, actually it couldn't.

There won't be any secession and any such legislation will be found to be unconstitutional immediately. Arizona is no more capable of operating independently of the federal government than any other state. This legislation is doomed from the start.

TheMastersNemesis (4,541 posts)

9. Maybe So But We Have Enough Fools Who Would Arrest Federal Agents.

Then what. And such rhetoric encourages nuts like Clive Bundy. What if someone had fired on our federal agents first and they had to respond.

MineralMan (70,963 posts)

10. We? Who are we?

Arizona won't be arresting federal anybody. Their legislators may be idiots, but that's a long way from arresting federal agents or any other officials.

They're dreaming.

TheMastersNemesis (4,541 posts)

7. Secessionist & Nullification Rhetoric Is Dangerous And A Threat To Our Our National Security.

This insanity must stop. Our enemies take great pleasure and solace in such division. And such an atmosphere is more likely to make them test us as a nation. And such pronouncements are almost like declaring civil war. It is very unhealthy and must be treated as insurrection.

fredamae (2,582 posts)

8. Hmmmm, do they get water

fuel and any other services/supplies from Any other states? The feds? They may want to think carefully....life has a tendency to not allow one to have "it" both ways.

MineralMan (70,963 posts)

11. Federal Funds going to Arizona
 
Federal dollars for Arizona

The Census breaks federal spending into five main categories. The amounts to Arizona, in 2001 and 2010, and the percent increase for each were:

Retirement: $11.1 billion; $18.5 billion; +67.3 percent

Direct payments: $5.7 billion; $13.7 billion; +139.9 percent

Grants $5.4 billion; $14.4 billion; +164.1 percent

Procurement: $5.3 billion; $12.8 billion; +143.5 percent

Wages and salaries: $2.9 billion; $5.0 billion; +70.7 percent

Total: $30.4 billion; $64.4 billion; +112.3 percent

The second number is the 2010 number in each category. Can Arizona generate that kind of money? Nope.

http://cronkitenewsonline.com/2011/09/federal-funds-flowing-to-arizona-have-doubled-in-the-past-10-years/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026399662


So, the Proglodytes are planning to counter Arizona secession even though Arizona is not seceding.

Should work out brilliantly.

[thundley4]

MineralMan (70,963 posts)

6. No, actually it couldn't.

There won't be any secession and any such legislation will be found to be unconstitutional immediately. Arizona is no more capable of operating independently of the federal government than any other state. This legislation is doomed from the start.

Marijuana legalization is against federal laws, but you DUmpmonkey's applaud it.

[docstew]

How are they seceding? Seems to me that they are reinforcing the Constitutional process re:legislation. They will enforce any law duly passed by Congress and signed by the President. It's not their fault that these new immigration policies don't fall under that description...

[FlippyDoo]

Marijuana legalization is against federal laws, but you DUmpmonkey's applaud it.

That's because the DUmpmonkeys are not rational beings. They are situational animals.

In their minds, from 2001 to 2008 it was okay to call the sitting president a chimp, but from 2009 onward it became racist.
For them, from 2001 to 2008 to disagree with the president was patriotic, but 2009 onward it became treasonous and racist.

A fertilized spotted-owl egg is a spotted-owl and should be protected. A fertilized human egg is just a clump of cells and can be eradicated.

They are a strange and twisted bunch.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

That's because the DUmpmonkeys are not rational beings. They are situational animals.

In their minds, from 2001 to 2008 it was okay to call the sitting president a chimp, but from 2009 onward it became racist.
For them, from 2001 to 2008 to disagree with the president was patriotic, but 2009 onward it became treasonous and racist.

A fertilized spotted-owl egg is a spotted-owl and should be protected. A fertilized human egg is just a clump of cells and can be eradicated.

They are a strange and twisted bunch.

They are a nation of men, not laws.

[Delmar]

Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)Sun Mar 22, 2015, 02:02 PM
TheMastersNemesis (4,541 posts)
7. Secessionist & Nullification Rhetoric Is Dangerous And A Threat To Our Our National Security.

This insanity must stop. Our enemies take great pleasure and solace in such division. And such an atmosphere is more likely to make them test us as a nation. And such pronouncements are almost like declaring civil war. It is very unhealthy and must be treated as insurrection.

[I_B_Perky]

TheMastersNemesis (4,541 posts)

4. We Could Stop Paying Everyone's Medicare & Social Security In Arizona.

Since most of these old fogies do not like the federal government and think that their money is being given to blacks and hispanics. Maybe they will understand what seceding means.

Look here you one legged idiot, it doesn't matter WHAT country you live in, retirees get their SS and I don't think medicare requires you to be in the US either. Besides, not enforcing federal law does not mean seceding dummie... ever heard of sanctuary cities? That is not enforcing federal law. For that matter not enforcing federal law seems to be exactly what the damned federal government is doing with illegals!!

You are a prime example of not needing a brain to be a living human being.  I hope they cut off all your fingers next time thus sparing the rest of the world your written stupidity.

[98ZJUSMC]

TheDebbieDee (9,074 posts)

3. Does the DOD have any federal military bases in Arizona and Texas and all these other traitorous states that are stuck on this secessionist meme?

Jesus H. Kee-rist.  Get out of your government-approved concrete box and two block square world much?

[docstew]

Jesus H. Kee-rist.  Get out of your government-approved concrete box and two block square world much?

I saw that comment and wondered where the DUmmie was going with this thought. Marshall Law? Invade Arizona?

All I have to say is try it DUmmie, your guy may be able to give the orders, but there are still patriots who understand the Constitution who carry the rifle and pull, or don't pull, the trigger.

[diesel driver]

They are a nation of men, not laws.

Since when did the DUmp aquire men?

There may be residents of the DUmp that have XY chromosomes, but they aren't "men" by any stretch.

[obumazombie]

The agenda above all.