hypertensive Bob boiling again

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026376713

Oh my.

TheMastersNemesis (4,530 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:15 PM

Get Ready To Be Held Financially Responsible For Your Parents Long Term Care. MUST READ.
 
If the GOP were to "block grant" Medicaide families, children and offspring would be on the financial hook for long term care of parents paid for by the federal government, state government or Medicaid that is devolved to the states. What the GOP is not telling voters is that families would be saddled with long term care debt should the federal protections of family assets were removed.

The way the law is today is that a parent or relative who goes into a nursing home paid for by Medicaid it is their estate that is ASSESSED for the cost of the care upon their death. That means their assets like any property must be sold and the money given to the state for the cost of care. If the estate does not cover the cost of the care then the rest of the cost is assumed by the state or federal government.

If the GOP removed the federal mandates and protections it would free the state or paying entity to go after the offspring or families of the parent and THEIR assets could be put under LIENS the relatives would be forced to pay for the rest of the debt until it is paid off. That means that all debts incurred for long term care become financial liabilities of the surviving family members. Such a situation could bleed over into the assets of even grandchildren of the parents.

Each state in the US could be free to pursue what ever means or pass whatever laws to recover such costs or debts. Individual states could even pass laws prohibiting bankruptcy from relieving the debt. We know what the GOP did with student loans.

Before the present Medicaid law was passed and federal mandates were established families of relatives put in long term care that was paid for by Medicaide were required to give the state their financial records and the family was given the amount of money they would have to pay. The GOP want to ELIMINATE to federal mandates and turn authority over to the individual states.

EVERYONE MUST BE AWARE THAT "BLOCK GRANTING" MEDICAID MEANS YOUR FAMILY WILL HAVE TO PAY THESE DEBTS AFTER A PARENT PASSES WHO IS IN LONG TERM CARE UNDER MEDICAID. And if Medicaid is abolished then families are on their own when a parent must go into a nursing home. Otherwise the family will have to care for that family member in their home.

My source is the fact that my mother and her sisters were assessed in the `1960's before Medicaid became law with the Medicare law. My mother did not have to pay because she lived out of state at the time. However the GOP could make it possible to pursue relatives out of state as well.

TheMastersNemesis (4,530 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:27 PM

2. Voters Really Need To Understand What This Kind Of Change Would Mean.
 
Gingrich almost got the law change in his budget until Clinton vetoed it. The new budget left it out. The GOPwas furious that Clinton stopped them from basically ending Medicaid in 1996.

TheMastersNemesis (4,530 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:39 PM

4. Just About Anyone Under 45 Is Screwed Unless Things Change.
 
We have to get back to an economy where 1 income can support a family. It is possible but we have to get conservatives out of office altogether. 

TheMastersNemesis (4,530 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:57 PM

8. When My Mom Went Into A Nursing Home A Lien Was Put On Her House By The State.
 
Upon her passing the house would have had to been sold and money signed over to the state social service office. As it was the lien was not proper and I was able to keep the house. As it has turned out I have been paying higher and higher taxes on it over the last 14 years so in a way I am paying them back. I need to sell it but it is in a declining neighborhood.

Aslo the GOP changed the rules on "look back" on assets signed over to heirs. It is now very difficult to preserve anything because the rules are so severe and complex. So if a parent goes into a nursing home under Medicaid their assets will be used for expenses. 

TheMastersNemesis (4,530 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:08 PM

14. It Might Come Down To Abandoning Sick Elderly On The Curb.
 
Of course the GOP plan would be to have the law look one up and force the relatives to pay any way.

And here's something to start getting used to; the primitive lies about Scott Walker:

dembotoz (6,830 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 05:59 PM

18. mom died in sept. during her declining time i had to stay on top of who was paying for what
 
i was fortunate(really an odd use for a word in this circumstance) that mom faded quickly and went from rehab to hospice both paid by medicare.

last july "reform" passed by scummy walker went into effect and it became easier for the bastards to claim part of the estate. Going thru probate there is now a form that needs to be signed and notarized whether the dead person used certain programs that now can be billed to the estate. 

kelly1mm (3,091 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:01 PM

20. Why would they be 'bastards' to get paid for rendering services to somone who had assets
 
which could pay for such services?

TheMastersNemesis (4,530 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:08 PM

22. It Is About Going After The Assets Of The Children Or Even Grandchildren.
 
Do go back to the days when you inherited all the debt of your parents? They used to count even every button. The estate had to be audited to the last piece of dust even to determine the value. Any debt left had to be paid by the offspring. 

kelly1mm (3,091 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:14 PM

23. The post I refered to and that you jumped into said the following:
 
"last july "reform" passed by scummy walker went into effect and it became easier for the bastards to claim part of the estate"

The ESTATE, not the children or grandchildren's assets. The ESTATES assets.

I keep asking why an ESTATE with assets should not pay for the care given to decedent.

I am not a fan at all of familial obligation laws. I am a fan of a person's assets being used to pay their debts after they pass.

[Carl]

I thought they loved inheritance taxes.

Btw DUmbasses,wait until state budgets get hit with the real cost of Obunglecare Medicaid expansion.
You ain`t seen nothing yet when it comes to estate recovery.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

TheMastersNemesis (4,530 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:57 PM

8. When My Mom Went Into A Nursing Home A Lien Was Put On Her House By The State.
 
Upon her passing the house would have had to been sold and money signed over to the state social service office. As it was the lien was not proper and I was able to keep the house. As it has turned out I have been paying higher and higher taxes on it over the last 14 years so in a way I am paying them back. I need to sell it but it is in a declining neighborhood.

Aslo the GOP changed the rules on "look back" on assets signed over to heirs. It is now very difficult to preserve anything because the rules are so severe and complex. So if a parent goes into a nursing home under Medicaid their assets will be used for expenses.

Wait a minute.

He started the OP saying, "The GOP is going to do this."

But then here he is saying, "It already happened."

Lying, flea-bitten rabble rouser

[thundley4]

As it has turned out I have been paying higher and higher taxes on it over the last 14 years so in a way I am paying them back. I need to sell it but it is in a declining neighborhood.

Racist code words for more blacks and section 8 housing in the area.

[wasp69]

TheMastersNemesis (4,530 posts)    Tue Mar 17, 2015, 02:57 PM

8.

So if a parent goes into a nursing home under Medicaid their assets will be used for expenses.

So do your damnedest to make sure mom and dad don't get sucked into government insurance, DUmbass.

Take the King's coin and all that follows...

[freedumb2003b]

I thought they loved inheritance taxes.

Btw DUmbasses,wait until state budgets get hit with the real cost of Obunglecare Medicaid expansion.
You ain`t seen nothing yet when it comes to estate recovery.

My thought exactly.  I thought inherited money was EEEVIL an subject to 99% taxation since "you didn't build that!"

Now they want to keep Mom's house for their greedy little selves?

[Gina]

Aren't these the same dumb ducks that adore the death/estate tax?  Or is it when it might hurt them that they care?

[Carl]

Thread after thread has shown that the only concern most DUmbasses have for their parents is over what they are going to leave them.

[SVPete]

Ummmmm ... yeah ...

The government taking money from dead people's estates to recoup bennies the dead people received is not new. Mrs. SVPete and I handled my parents' and her Mom's finances in the latter 5 or 10 years of their lives so as to avoid that happening. Including foregoing bennies that would bite back and caring for my MIL in our home.

Whether this DU-person is ignorant or being dishonest I won't try to guess. Not that that is an either-or choice.

[Chris_]

So if a parent goes into a nursing home under Medicaid their assets will be used for expenses.

Obviously.  Medicaid isn't free. 

[catsmtrods]

Thread after thread has shown that the only concern most DUmbasses have for their parents is over what they are going to leave them.

Yup!