Proglodyte kinda upset MSM allowed debate on SCIENCE!

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Facts are facts and the SCIENCETICALISM IS SETTLED!

Tom Rinaldo (15,448 posts)

Soon as the media pandered to the false equivalency game on climate change the floodgates opened
 
The forces of know nothingism were home free, and not just on global warming but on anything that is objective fact based. As long as differing opinions can be produced on a topic (sometimes purchased and delivered) any assertion of fact is is now called "a side" in "a controversy". Scientific facts are increasingly deemed disputed "theories". And when science isn't honored anymore education itself becomes suspect. And when education becomes suspect false populists run against it, calling it nothing but an elitist agenda dictated by the state, and so on. Truth is now a commodity for sale on the "free market", a product of market research packaged and peddled, with bold bald assertions carrying the same weight as anything that emerges from a rigorous application of scientific method. And this now dominates our politics.

TRANSLATION: Allowing public debate makes it harder to dictate. We need a centralized authority to tell us the truth and all laws will then be based on that truth.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026292342

[diesel driver]

Facts are facts and the SCIENCETICALISM IS SETTLED!

TRANSLATION: Allowing public debate makes it harder to dictate. We need a centralized authority to tell us the truth and all laws will then be based on that truth.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026292342

Side note:  There are opinions OTHER than OURS, and whatever those opinions are, they must be proved FALSE, even though OUR own opinions are FALSE.

[obumazombie]

The Head of the UN IPCC has had to resign in disgrace because the whole of the great glow bull warming swindle is so corrupt they have a Caligula complex...http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/27/u-n-climate-chief-quickly-resigns-amid-sexual-harassment-allegations/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/28/how-chilly-is-it-cold-enough-to-land-planes-on-an-ice-runway/

Lest you think this is as a result of the dead of winter, this is March folks...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/28/ice-forces-1300-flight-cancellations-at-dfw/

in the deep south.
And I don't mean South Dakota.


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[Carl]

Given time,and not all that much,the religion of gloBULL warming will create a leftist version of what is raging through the Middle East.

[thundley4]

Almost 99.99% of scientists believe a human life begins at conception.  When the Left accepts that fact, then when can talk about other bullshit.

[I_B_Perky]

Tom Rinaldo (15,448 posts)

Soon as the media pandered to the false equivalency game on climate change the floodgates opened
 
The forces of know nothingism were home free, and not just on global warming but on anything that is objective fact based. As long as differing opinions can be produced on a topic (sometimes purchased and delivered) any assertion of fact is is now called "a side" in "a controversy". Scientific facts are increasingly deemed disputed "theories". And when science isn't honored anymore education itself becomes suspect. And when education becomes suspect false populists run against it, calling it nothing but an elitist agenda dictated by the state, and so on. Truth is now a commodity for sale on the "free market", a product of market research packaged and peddled, with bold bald assertions carrying the same weight as anything that emerges from a rigorous application of scientific method. And this now dominates our politics.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/526191/Climate-change-is-a-lie-global-warming-not-real-claims-weather-channel-founder

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/massive-tampering-with-temperatures-in-south-america/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11367272/Climategate-the-sequel-How-we-are-STILL-being-tricked-with-flawed-data-on-global-warming.html

I have said it a thousand times dummie... if the science behind AGWwas able to be proven, then there would be no need to shout down dissenting research for the simple reason there would be no dissenting research. The fact that there is, and it is growing, is proof enough for me.

[obumazombie]

I_B_Perky, I wish you would post some of those links on our Global Warming board.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Facts?  Oh, no, it is based on the results of models, constructed from theories...and there is not one model, but around twenty competing ones.  The test that would validate such a model would be to take it and run the 150 years of historical data though it, to see if it can generate today's conditions from a starting point 150 years ago.  My understanding is that none of the models with which this has been tried have even come close to passing that test.

[I_B_Perky]

Facts?  Oh, no, it is based on the results of models, constructed from theories...and there is not one model, but around twenty competing ones.  The test that would validate such a model would be to take it and run the 150 years of historical data though it, to see if it can generate today's conditions from a starting point 150 years ago.  My understanding is that none of the models with which this has been tried have even come close to passing that test.

That is why I do not subscribe to the AGW BS.  I'm old enough to remember the 70's, when we had a series of winters much like we have been having now, only worse, and all the scientists were yelling about a new ice age starting.

For that matter, scientists have been yelling about global warming/global cooling for about 120 years now. Wish I still had the link to that article.  The current global warming nazis have all been proven wrong in just about everything they have predicted... just like the 70's.

[obumazombie]

That is why I do not subscribe to the AGW BS.  I'm old enough to remember the 70's, when we had a series of winters much like we have been having now, only worse, and all the scientists were yelling about a new ice age starting.

For that matter, scientists have been yelling about global warming/global cooling for about 120 years now. Wish I still had the link to that article.  The current global warming nazis have all been proven wrong in just about everything they have predicted... just like the 70's.

I was a preteen and a teen in the 70's.
Oh what wonderful winters they were if you loved snow sports.
Or if you just loved making snowmen, snow angels, or just climbing the nearest object to jump into the highest snow pile.

[I_B_Perky]

I was a preteen and a teen in the 70's.
Oh what wonderful winters they were if you loved snow sports.
Or if you just loved making snowmen, snow angels, or just climbing the nearest object to jump into the highest snow pile.

Same here. The Kanawha, Coal and Poca rivers froze over solid. Barge traffic could not get thru so there was no salt to thaw the roads. We were out of school half the time in Jan and Feb. I thought that was amazing until my grandad told me they used to ice skate on the Kanawha and Poca rivers every winter in the 30's. And they, by God, had to walk to school in blizzards! Not like us wimps.   

[obumazombie]

Same here. The Kanawha, Coal and Poca rivers froze over solid. Barge traffic could not get thru so there was no salt to thaw the roads. We were out of school half the time in Jan and Feb. I thought that was amazing until my grandad told me they used to ice skate on the Kanawha and Poca rivers every winter in the 30's. And they, by God, had to walk to school in blizzards! Not like us wimps.   

The Hudson used to freeze over and ice yachts used to be able to speed up and down it all winter long.
Lake George used to freeze over, and they would have ice racing on it.
Just months before I would be swimming in Lake George.
Not so much in the Hudson though.

[I_B_Perky]

The Hudson used to freeze over and ice yachts used to be able to speed up and down it all winter long.
Lake George used to freeze over, and they would have ice racing on it.
Just months before I would be swimming in Lake George.
Not so much in the Hudson though.

I have never heard of ice yachts. Had to look it up. That sounds like fun!  Cold, but fun!

[Carl]

Look up "unfalsiifiable theory" and it completely unravels AGW as anything close to being scientific.

[diesel driver]

Same here. The Kanawha, Coal and Poca rivers froze over solid. Barge traffic could not get thru so there was no salt to thaw the roads. We were out of school half the time in Jan and Feb. I thought that was amazing until my grandad told me they used to ice skate on the Kanawha and Poca rivers every winter in the 30's. And they, by God, had to walk to school in blizzards! Not like us wimps.   

In '74, I got my first real motorcycle, a Suzuki TC-125.  I would ride it on the frozen over sediment ponds at the sand plant near my house, not to mention ALL over our 533 acre dairy farm.  Ground stayed white for almost 2 months, and if we weren't feeding or milking the cows, we were cutting firewood and thawing frozen water pipes.

In January '77, I went back to school for 1 day after the Christmas break my senior year ('76-'77), then we stayed home the entire month of January.  It snowed over a foot, and the temperature never got above freezing the entire month.  The weather, combined with a prolonged coal miner strike and a natural gas shortage (both used to heat the county's schools.  Thanks, Jimmy Carter) meant I got to graduate HS June 18th, instead of May 27th.  I was so cold that January, I swore no matter how hot it got, I would NEVER complain about the heat again.

Fast forward 7 months, August '77, we set 22 record high temps for the month.   

I have yet to complain about the heat...   

[DumbAss Tanker]

Just to be clear, I neither deny nor affirm that the climate changes, and that humans may be a contributing factor in that change, though there is no factual basis I have seen to claim they the dominant factor.  I just have no confidence at all in the currently-fashionable models, since they cannot pass the test I described, and believe it is therefore idiotic to base sweeping policy decisions on them.  So much of the "Scientific community" that believes otherwise are either gadfly attention whores like the physicist Dr. Kaku with no more climatology credentials than Joe Bag-o'-donuts, meteorologists whose idea of 'Long-term' is one year, and actual climatologists whose livelihood is dependent on following the government and special-interest grant money to substantiate AGC that the term "Consensus" as applied to them is as silly as claiming Galileo was wrong and the Church right, because everybody in the Church power structure thought he was wrong.

Geological and Paleological science, before the current scramble for grants to find AGC overwhelmed any actual dispassionate inquiry, indicated that the climate has swung wildly back and forth in the deep past, often in extremely short timeframes between much warmer and much colder than now, possibly in as short as a decade.  It also showed there has been a quite  anomalous period of stability for about the last 10,000 years, during which the shifts like the Early Medieval Warming Period and the Little Ice Age were modest blips compared to the climate swings prior to the period of stability.  This untoward stability allowed Mankind to get a foothold, engage in reasonably stable agriculture, and therefore explode across the planet. 

One completely unexamined possibility is that worldwide human activity has actually amounted to a buffering or moderating influence on those wild swings, though realistically I expect it is really due to much more powerful factors like vulcanism and astrophysical 'Events' being possibly less prevalent in that ten-millennia window.  The one thing the geological record does tell us for sure is that this Goldilocks period cannot last forever, and is likely to change suddenly and drastically at some completely unpredictable point in the future, with little or no forewarning...just hopefully not the immediate future.

I have zero confidence that the grant-funded models are of any value as applied to AGC, and will be of even less value should we return to the chaotic climate swings of the geological past.

[SVPete]

Facts?  Oh, no, it is based on the results of models, constructed from theories...and there is not one model, but around twenty competing ones.  The test that would validate such a model would be to take it and run the 150 years of historical data though it, to see if it can generate today's conditions from a starting point 150 years ago.  My understanding is that none of the models with which this has been tried have even come close to passing that test.

Your test is wa-a-a-a-a-a-a-ay too generous. Better would be 1,500 or 15,000 years of data. Then again, we probably don't have much direct measurement data from more the 200-250 years ago, so ...

Your kindness and generosity noted, I believe your statement is correct, whether worked from the past forward or from the present backward. Be glad your computer wasn't designed using computer models as "accurate" as those underlying AGW. You might have shrapnel whistling past your ears any moment now ... if not already ... multiple times.